Jonathan Pollard: My plan for Gaza, the PA, and Israel’s future

This video features a candid interview with Jonathan Pollard, a former Israeli spy who spent 30 years in a U.S. prison, as he discusses his decision to run for the Knesset and his vision for Israel’s security and political future.

Key Discussion Points:

  • Motivation for Politics: Pollard explains that while he initially viewed his own imprisonment as an outlier, the events of October 7 shifted his perspective. He concluded that the current government had abandoned the country, prompting his entry into politics to initiate change (13:58 - 15:17).
  • Views on Security and Warfare: Pollard strongly criticizes current Israeli military policy, particularly the concepts of "proportionality" and "mowing the lawn." He advocates for a decisive victory, arguing that the protection of Israeli soldiers is a sacred duty and that the military currently prioritizes enemy welfare over their own troops (15:58 - 23:23).
  • The U.S.-Israel Relationship: He discusses his past incarceration, attributing it to both U.S. and Israeli internal politics, and emphasizes that he remains an "Israel-firster" who is willing to stand against any policy that doesn't benefit Israel (6:22 - 13:35).
  • Plan for Gaza and the Palestinian Authority: Pollard calls for the immediate declaration that the Oslo Accords are dead, the assertion of full sovereignty over Judea, Samaria, and Gaza, and the removal of the Palestinian Authority. He advocates for the removal of illegal structures in Area C and a firm stance against any diplomatic pressures that compromise national security (29:16 - 35:05).
  • Criticism of Current Leadership: He expresses deep frustration with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, whom he blames for the failures leading to October 7 and for a lack of decisive leadership, stating that he does not view Netanyahu as the person who "brought him home" (36:40 - 38:54).

Pollard acknowledges the challenges of running for the Knesset without fluent Hebrew but emphasizes that his campaign is built on honesty, candor, and a commitment to never lie to the public (1:43 - 4:09).

Transcript

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BB broke weak and whittleled it down to the point where we are now I mean it's hard for me to admit this. We are now
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feeding our enemy. I mean this has never happened in history before. And you have to ask why. And I don't want to hear this business that it's consistent with
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Jewish morality. It isn't. Anybody saying that doesn't know anything about Jewish morality at all. We are with
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Jonathan Pard who is a candidate for Kesset who was gracious enough to grant me an interview a couple weeks back and
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we're going to talk about his aspirations to God willing be successful and join the Knesset and think outside
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the box. We are talking outside the box as we always do because we're not about
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fetching and we're not about um complaining. We're about changing things. And with us today is Jonathan
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Pard, who has really devoted his life to changing things. And um I'm really excited to have him on the show to talk
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a little bit about the article that uh we did earlier about his uh run for the
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Knesset and what he stands for. So welcome Jonathan.
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Thank you Judith. It's a pleasure to be here.
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So, your announcement to uh run for Knesset was not a surprise to a lot of
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people, but one of the big arguments I heard after I published was,
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well, how is he going to communicate with the Knesset people if he doesn't speak fluent Hebrew and he is hasn't mastered the art of Hebrew yet?
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Do you have an answer? Yeah, I've been asked that question a lot of times in Hebrew, which um no, I'm used to now. And I
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usually respond um on the one hand by saying, well, with an AI program, especially when I'm giving speeches, uh
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voice to text, um it's like a miracle. I mean, people have had no problem understanding me.
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uh the program I'm using is nearly 100% accurate. Um but what I told one lady
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who asked me that question, I said to her, um would you agree that with the possible exception of Golden Mayer and
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maybe Levieskll, um most of our leaders since 1948
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have been fluent Hebrew speakers. And she said, "Yes, that's true." and I said, "Yeah, well, how'd that turn out?"
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I don't think it's the uh language you use, but it's the dedication and honesty
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with which you which you bring to the debate. Um, but how are you going to debate when they're spewing Hebrew? You know, I
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mean, there's culture cultural differences as well as they're major differences culturally. Um, I'll do my best.
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Um, there's just I I can go just so far based on my uh record. Uh, beyond that,
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people want to know um what your policies are and I'll try to get as many of them published init Hebrew as I can
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and I'll give as many speeches with an AI translator as I can. But I think as far as the major issues are concerned,
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most people understand where where I'm going or I want to go and uh I tell
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people uh you may disagree with what I'm saying assuming you understand me. You
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may disagree with what I'm saying, but I will never lie to you. I was lied to for 35 years. I know how it feels. So, um I
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think honesty um and cander are probably the best uh
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attributes uh I have going forward. Um when you talk about being lied to, can you uh lied to by the government?
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Which government?
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The Israeli government. No, the American government. I expected, you know, the lies and the misstatements and the mischaracterizations
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uh of my character and my mission. But as far as the Israeli government uh was
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concerned, um I never got a straight answer from any administration.
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Um, the closest I came to it was a member of the intelligence community that came to see me in prison with an
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American monitor present and he well suggested that I kill myself if I were a real patriot.
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Patriot American or patriotisraeli? Israeli.
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Wow. And um Esther Alas Shalom, my wife at the time, uh was so horrified by that
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she ran the the issue down. Uh Julie Adelstein uh was very helpful at the
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time and called uh my boss in to see him uh Rafi Tan and asked him point blank,
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did you send somebody to see Jonathan and suggest that he kill himself because he's causing trouble for the country he
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ostensively owes his loyalty to? And he answered twice, no comment.
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So that was enough for you to figure out exactly, you know, what was going on.
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Strangely enough, the American monitor who was a lieutenant colonel in the National Security Agency
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uh threw the Israeli out, chucked him right out and came down back to me and said, "Don't don't do it.
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Don't do it." Because he said, "You know, you're going you're going to go home one day." and he said just don't don't satisfy the politicians.
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Just one more question about your incarceration.
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Who do you attribute it to? Was it the Israelis that were keeping you in or was it the Americans?
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Um, as they say, it's a 50/50. Um, the Americans kept me
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on ice for two reasons. Initially, you know, I was in solitary confinement for
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7 years. um about 150 m down in a 3 square meter cell. I never left for 7
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years that room. Uh they kept me there.
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One of the reasons they kept me there was they actually thought I was a Soviet Asian.
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Uh that was because of Aldrich James uh the Soviet mole in the CIA who was ordered by the fifth director to blame
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uh all of his the deaths that he was causing amongst American and British agents in the Soviet Union on me.
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Complicated story but u eventually the truth came out that I had nothing to do with it his activities. Uh the second
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reason was that I was involved um actually to a very large extent with Iran Contra and the Americans found out
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about it and um didn't want me talking because it was an illegal operation on their side.
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So that was the American part. it. Well, there and there was another reason and and they wanted me to um you know after
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my interrogation which left me uh 100% disabled uh they kept me in isolation
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for 7 years and then they put me in a facility that we called the gladiator school was very violent. Um, they wanted me to cooperate.
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Um, mostly it wasn't just identifying my team, which I never did, but they wanted
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me to sign off on a document uh implicating the uh majority of the American Jewish leadership with my
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activities. This was a political a move to politically decapitate. Who was the president at the time?
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Well, Reagan and then Clinton. But again, you I I don't attribute this to the to President Reagan. Um Washington
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was full of factions at the time and I just had the misfortune of falling into
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the clutches of the pro-Arab faction and um so that was one those were the major
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reasons for the Americans. They also, and they were pretty clear about this, wanted to use me as a um cautionary tale
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for the American Jewish community that if you cross the line, so to speak, this is how
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you're going to be handled. You know, there'll be no mercy on you at all. So, that was the Americans.
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As far as the uh Israelis are concerned, um I was warned repeatedly when I
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finally could see people that the Mossad in particular wanted me dead.
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The Mossad, this was uh an attempt on the Mossad to blacken the reputation of a competing
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agency, intelligence agency, which was called LAM. It's an acronym that I We should probably um unpack that a
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little bit. There are three intelligence agencies in Israel, right? One is the army intelligence, Aman, right?
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And then there's the Mossad. Uh there's some uh no there's 8,200 which which is
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um mostly works for the military. Uh that's like their uh national security agency. Uh but there's another
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organization was and I think still is called lam which works within the curya
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the ministry of defense on very um the euphemism is scientific and
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technical intelligence but they they run the gamut of what they do and Rafi who who thought Rafi who thought that he was
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going to be the head of the Mosad um got a consolation prize of being the head of Lakhan.
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and he used the information that I was providing as a cudgel to embarrass beat
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and and and embarrass the Mossad uh in cabinet meetings no less. So it was spy versus spy.
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It was spy versus spy. Yeah. And um so when I was caught, the Mossad figured
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prominently in defaming me, in mischaracterizing my motives, and endorsing my interrogation,
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which as I've described to several people was were pretty brutal. Uh, I later found out when I came home to
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Israel that they knew exactly what was being done to me and more or less signed off on it.
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I want to shift now because now we're going to look at the future and hopefully politics.
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How are you going to get along if if you've got these rifts with the Americans or have had these rifts with the Americans and ostensibly here in
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Israel? How are you going to be able to succeed politically?
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My risks with the Americans really aren't have aren't relevant anymore. Uh they got their pound of flesh out of me.
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I've been a good boy. I followed all the restrictions that I I've been told to follow in terms of staying away from
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certain issues and material that could compromise national security. The other thing with the Americans you have to
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understand is that um most of them now understand my indictment.
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My indictment said put plainly that uh I was accused of compromising national security information
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uh to a major non-NATO ally parenthesis Israel without intent to harm the United
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States. And when people back in the United States finally take the time to read my indictment, they understand that
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there was a lot more going on. Plus, they understand and well, I was asked a few weeks ago, um, what am I
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politically? And I said, well, to my the person asking me, I said, you consider yourself an America first, right? And he
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said, of course. I said, well, I consider myself an Israel forester. So he said, "You hate the United States after what happened to you?" I said,
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"No, you know, unfortunately it's just goes with the territory." And um I said,
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"If the United States suggests a policy for us to follow or endorse uh and it's
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good for us, fine. I have no problem with that." And he said, "And if it isn't good for you," I said, "I'll fight
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it to every ounce of my strength." He said, "Okay, I I understand that and that's fine."
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Okay, let's shift into you have 10 10 at least 10 principles that you uh
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attribute to your uh mission in politics. Let's cover a few of them.
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Okay. Um, do you want to start with the 900 soldiers that that we were talking about earlier?
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Yeah. I I should understand or you should understand why I actually decided to go into politics, which was something
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that I really didn't intend to uh for a number of reasons. It's it's known quite accurately as the swamp here in Israel.
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And um so it was it took something radical to get me into it. What was that? Uh October 7th.
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What happened up until that time? I was under the uh misperception that my abandonment and betrayal
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uh had been an outlier, had been the exception to the rule. But when I saw the
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GoPro videos of the Nukeba terrorists on October 7th, I I
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got into the telegram channel that was carrying it. I suddenly realized something is that I was not an outlier.
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I was not the exception to the rule. Um the government had abandoned and betrayed our entire country. And that's left, right, and center.
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And I just said at that point I turned to my wife uh Rifka and I said um I can't let this happen again. Uh what
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happened to me was one thing this is happening to the whole country.
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So at that point um I suddenly came to the realization that I couldn't fetch anymore. I couldn't complain anymore
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without actually doing something tough, without doing something um meaning to change this situation. I'm not under any
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illusion. I'm one person. Uh I I don't consider myself uh a man on the white
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horse. Uh I'm just I'm a simple guy actually uh who's
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angry and fed up. And at the end of my patience, um, as far as the 900 soldiers are
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concerned, this this terrible mark that we've just reached, the 900th death of one of our soldiers, I have to make it
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very clear to people that my primary concern is for the welfare and security of our soldiers, our sacred soldiers.
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These are our sons, our daughters, sometimes our grandfathers and grandmothers. It's it's we are a people's army.
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We don't have we're not mercenaries.
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We're not a professional army. We have a professional army, but our army basically is a people's army from the reserves.
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And what I what I've come to realize is that the military philosophy
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um of the of the military puts more emphasis on taking care of the
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enemy whether combatants or civilians than they do our own civilians and our own military.
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Um, so I'll give you an example that kind of I think epitomizes what I'm up against. Um, a man that I deeply
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respect, Ambassador Leer, he's the Israeli ambassador to the United States right now, lost his son, a wonderful man, wonderful, wonderful man in Gaza.
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Um, and when he was on when Yil was recently on CNN with Jake uh Tapper, who's also I
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have a lot of respect for him uh as a journalist. Um, he was asked about this issue of us, you know, committing
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genocide in in Gaza. And uh Yahil answered correctly saying look uh after
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what we showed we could do in Iran during the 12-day war. I don't think anybody is under the illusion that if we
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or misperception that if we wanted to wipe Gaza out in one day we had the means to do so. But that's not what
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we're doing. And you know he said he lost his son because of our values because of our morality. And if I can be
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very blunt with you, that was BS because his son was worth more than
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every single gazin right now. He was a Jewish warrior.
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And we owe our complete and unqualified loyalty to the safety and security of
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our kayim, our soldiers. they are putting their lives on the line so that the third Jewish commonwealth with God's help can exist.
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So I was shocked and disappointed um in my friends in Yehil's
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inability to understand that this morality that we're we're using to
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justify our behavior right now um is a lie. Such a proportional response.
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I don't believe in proportionality at all and that's one of my principles.
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This is an alien concept to war. Um, I mean, look, if you read the purity of arms, which is the book booklet that's
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used to indoctrinate soldiers, it's not or indoct indoctrinate. I would say indoctrinate.
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It is not a Jewish um there are no Jewish concepts in there. You know, this whole notion of tikunol
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has been uh misapplied, misinterpreted, misused by the lefts.
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It isn't what they say it is. And if you look at the purity of arms, it was written by an academic who didn't
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understand anything about war. And it's a bunch of leftist hogwash.
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And this is a booklet that's given to every every soldier. Okay. I take our morality
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in war from Torah. It's all there, what we should and shouldn't do.
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Um, one of the concepts in this purity of arms book, which is really horrifying,
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is their rejection, the author's rejection of decisive victory.
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He feels that um we are only allowed to stop the enemy but not to go beyond that. Now this this is insane.
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Well, that's the mowing the lawn.
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This is mowing the lawn, kicking the can down the road, managing the enemy. Okay.
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So when we reach this number of 900, what this tells me is that the army
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doesn't really understand anything about war. And it doesn't. We on October 8th
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should have simply told uh kamas, we're going to give you 24 hours to release our hostages and the bodies of those who are dead.
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And if you don't uh abide by that timeline, there won't be anything left from Jabalia in the north to Rafa in the
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south. The tallest building in Gaza will be an antill. I argued and I have argued
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and I will continue to argue that the mode of warfare that we're using right now is guaranteed to kill our soldiers.
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This is uh this kind of urban combat scenario. I don't believe in urban combat at all. I don't believe in
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stalenrad on the med as I call it. I believe right now, for example, um that our soldiers shouldn't be
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involved in house-to-house warfare. We should pull them back. We should I am not my enemy. I will tell the Gazins,
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you have 24 hours to get somewhere. If you want to eat, you got to go someplace. If you want to live, you definitely have to go someplace. And
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then I would um proceed. And I've outlined the the tactics that I would use. And the tactics are designed to protect our soldiers.
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We we have a sacred obligation to protect these men and women who are fighting alush hashem on our beh.
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I mean you can be very uh utilitarian about this and just say you know to the extent that we protect their lives and welfare we're
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protecting our own. But I I go beyond that. I I don't really I think that's a very cynical view. It might be accurate,
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but it's too cynical. Um after October 7th, um
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what is what it what is clear is that our successes such as they are in Gaza
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has been paid at the cost of our blood, our soldiers blood. And I don't accept
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that at all. At all. Is there anyone in the government currently that you could
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see yourself aligning with or that whose position you respect or are you completely rogue? I mean, how would you
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describe yourself? I I have a rough time accepting anybody who has been
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associated with the government um uh right now because of what happened on
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October 7th. Whether they were guilty of the sin of commission or omission is irrelevant to me. But um you know, I'm
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not in charge of the election. So, if people really want to be stupid about these things, they can vote for a guy
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like, I don't know, Yosi Cohen, the former head of the Mossad. Uh, and certainly if uh being
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somebody right out of GQ was a prerequisite for the premiership, he he would win. There's no question. But
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people have to understand that what he represents is old wine in a new bottle.
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Um, he was part of the misconceptia. He was the link that BB had with Qatar. He brings nothing to the table at all as far as I'm concerned.
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Is there anyone that you do have some sort of affinity for?
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I like, believe it or not, I like Israel Catz. Um, I know I mean I know him personally.
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I I would consider him a friend. Um, I was proud that uh just a day after
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October on October 8th, he immediately said no water, no electricity, no food, no nothing until our hostages came out.
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And that was the correct policy to have at the time. But then BB broke weak and whittleled it down to the
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point where we are now I mean it's hard for me to admit this. We are now feeding our enemy.
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I mean this has never happened in history before and you have to ask why.
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And I don't want to hear this business that it's consistent with Jewish morality. It isn't. Anybody saying that
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doesn't know anything about Jewish morality at all.
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Well, I think also our leaders have had their necks in a vice grip by other countries who
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Well, let me let me give you an example of that. Um, I was criticized very heavily for opposing the ceasefire, the
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American imposed ceasefire in Lebanon on us. And um I was told by certain people in the government, look, we didn't have
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choice because uh we were being threatened with a complete cut off of arms.
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So I listened to this and uh the individual telling me this uh said, "You don't believe this or what?" I said,
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"No, I believe that the Oiden administration, as I called it, did threaten us." But I said, "You're
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mistaken if you think there's never a choice." There was a choice. He said, 'Well, what is it? To have our weapons cut off? I said, 'No, let me bring you
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back to October 1973 during the Yam Kapour war when Henry Kissinger instituted an arms embargo
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against us. He he stopped the aerial resupply of our army at that point to extract
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uh diplomatic concessions from us. And what happened? What happened was um
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an A4 Skyhawk was parked at uh Telnof Air Base with some interesting weapons
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under the its wings and uh we told the Americans, "Take your eye in the sky and take a good look at the airplane that's
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on that runway." And the next day the airlift started.
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So the guy that I was talking which airlift to the to Israel the arms airlift.
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So in other words we threatened their um we threatened to use unconventional weapons. I'll leave it at that. And so
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he said is this what you're want us to threaten now. I said absolutely except this time I want us to go forward with it if necessary. If they think we're
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bluffing we go forward with it. look in.
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Wait, some people might look at this and hear you saying these things and say he's a dangerous dude. You know, he's he
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he could, you know, blow up the entire Middle East. Well, I guess people really haven't been keeping their eyes open
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since October 7th because the whole Middle East has blown up. And as far as I'm concerned, when we are faced with an
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existential threat, we have the right to use any and all weapons in our disposal to eliminate that existential threat.
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Look, a lot of people don't know anything about um academically speaking nuclear weapons
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at all, what they are, how they can be used responsibly. And I'm I'm tired of using euphemisms.
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I'm tired of saying, "Well, we have something, you know, in the basement, but we won't be the first to introduce u
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nuclear weapons in the Middle East." It's enough already. Now, let's talk about another decision or uh situation
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that's that's emerging this week. Uh the one to declare a Palestinian state, which uh the UN is supposed to vote on
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with with some of our arch enemies pitching in and and and weighing in on that.
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What would you do if you had some influence if you were in Knesset or in charge?
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What would I advise? I recommend um what we have to do is
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first of all um declare that Oslo is dead.
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That's number one. The fact that the PLO never signed the document is something I mean it's it's the worst kept secret
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I've ever seen. The document actually has no force because the other side never signed it. So leaving that detail aside, number one, Oslo is dead.
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Number two, we have to take action on the ground that will
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pre that will rule out the creation of this ter another terror state in our in our God-given biblical heartland.
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What are those actions? The actions are to declare sovereignty immediately over the Bea, the Jordan River Valley,
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Yehuda, Shamro, Judean, and Samaria and Aza and Gaza. Okay?
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And at that, that's one step that's very important. The second step is to immediately begin the destruction of all
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of the illegal Arab structures in area C.
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I structures. There's a lot of structures I I mean Regaveim which is a great organization has been documenting
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this process for years to no to no avail. So we have to start
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on that immediately. We have to focus equally against the Palestinian
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Authority, the pay for slave guys. Um we know how to target people. We know how
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to decapitate the political and military leadership of our enemies.
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Um, I would suggest that we give another demonstration of that in Ramla.
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And what does sovereignty look like exactly? I mean, the big argument is you're going to let these people vote.
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No, you know, you're going to make them Israeli. What are we doing?
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No. These people have shown no interest ever. um in living in peace with us at
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all. And certainly uh after the PA took over uh as a result of Oslo, the misapplied agreement with them, um they've been indoctrinated in hatred.
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Okay. Um, what we do once we get rid of the PA kinetically,
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um, we basically tell them they need to get somewhere. Now, there are many
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that will live with us in peace. The five she for example in Febru
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I don't want to make them Israeli at all. They will be um will they be paying taxes?
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They will be paying taxes. Will they vote?
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They will not vote. They they will be paying taxes basically for their education and their social support
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network, their medical support, u their security, which we're going to provide.
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um they have to understand that only Jews will be allowed to own property
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uh in our biblical heartland. They can rent. They can And what's what happens to the ones that already own property in their town?
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I don't recognize them because they are the occupiers.
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Um, I will be more than happy to live next to an Arab who understands these things.
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Um, their lives will be protected, their freedom of religion will be protected, their freedom of speech to a limit will be protected.
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Um, but the vast majority of them will have to go. Who am I talking about?
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Where are they going? Jordan doesn't want them. Egypt doesn't want them.
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Yeah, there there are going to be some very hard choices that these countries are going to have to make. Uh Syria is
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one dumping ground, and I use that term advisedly, is one dumping ground that may very well want to take them. A lot
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of people don't realize that the Syrians are actually engaged in uh repopulating
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northern Syria right now with Palestinians.
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But you can't airlift them into Syria, you know. No, you basically right now Syria for example, I mean if you're talking tless, if you're talking
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practicality, Syria is in absolutely no condition to stop us from doing anything
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at all. So when you say how do we how would we respond to this uh attempt um
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at imposing once again a division of the land?
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Well, if the law doesn't protect us, that is the League of Nations mandate in San Remo, the San Remo agreement. If the
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law doesn't uh protect us, then we have to look after ourselves in any way that
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we deem to be appropriate. Um these people have made it in in Yehuden and Shyamon in particular have made it very
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clear that 70 80% of them not only endorse what happened on October 7th but would like to see it repeated initially
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in Yehud and Shamron against our people and then against Israel proper.
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Yeah. So, you know, you you can mislead yourself into thinking that if we show
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unwarranted um compassion and understanding for these people that it will be recognized as something more than weakness.
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But you would be mistaken in assuming that. When you are kind to people like this, the only thing they think is
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you're weak. And so, Um, our military policy in Yehudin
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Shamron is guaranteeing failure because our enemies simply do not understand the consequences of their hatred.
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But we did talk about diplomacy at some point and uh you know you know you know you know you know what
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a diplomat is. Lord Actton defined a diplomat as a honest man sent abroad to lie for his country. Now, how does that apply here? And why am I not diplomatic?
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I helped dig the graves of too many people on Harutzel after October 7th. And why I was asked,
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I keep my mouth shut. And there I saw all of Israel engaged in bearing the victims
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of people who preferred diplomacy over action.
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I'm not going to be a hypocrite. I will not be a hypocrite.
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Um I am not a bista. This man BB if I were diplomatic they say why don't you show Hakarat to him you know he brought
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you home right and my attitude is he didn't bring me home brought me home and was my dear wife
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Esther Ala Shalom those were the ones that brought me home not BB what did BB do set the stage for October 7th
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something that he has never ever acknowledged you know Mr. Teflon. I don't know what you want to call him, but he has the
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blood of October 7th literally over his entire body. And what he should have the
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only way out for him should have been the complete and immediate destruction of kamas. No if ends or buts, no no
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feeding humanitarian aid, no diplomacy, no weak need rationalization of why we
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have to do this or that. just give us our hostages and the bodies of of our dead or you die. But he didn't do that and I won't be diplomatic about that.
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The time for diplomacy is over. We I've looked into the eyes of too many
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widows to to accept a continuation of diplomacy. I've looked into into the
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eyes of too many orphan children. I've been in too many rehabilitation wards in hospitals
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where in one case a soldier came up wheeled up to me in his wheelchair and
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pulled his blanket off his knees. He had no legs and he asked me a question that still haunts me to this day. What did I lose my legs for?
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This is after it was announced that BB would like the PA to go and and take control of Gaza. And let's not confuse the issue. He's he that's what he wants.
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BB has been trying to get rid of Gaza from October 7th. It's like, you know, he feels like he's the dog that catches the car. What do I do with it then?
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Well, Jonathan Pard, I think it's going to be a very interesting run. Um, I wish you luck.
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I'll need it. Yeah. And uh yeah um health and and you know you should have it should be a good year for everybody.
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