Dershowitz
**Dershowitz: Why I Left the Democrats & What Epstein Told Me About Trump**
*Political Satire and Personal Opinion by Robert R. Motta*
*votemotta2028.com*
Look, I sat down and actually dug through **tons of the publicly released Epstein files, court documents, flight logs, videos, and depositions** — the stuff that’s out there for anyone to review. And then I watched Alan Dershowitz’s latest interview where he proudly explains why he bailed on the Democrats and spills what Jeffrey Epstein supposedly told him about Donald Trump.
In **my opinion**, after reviewing all that material, Alan Dershowitz comes across as one of the most disgusting, embarrassing figures in the legal world today.
Here’s a guy who spent decades as a high-profile Harvard law professor and celebrity attorney, yet in my view he’s turned into the ultimate example of everything wrong with the system: a walking, talking embarrassment to the legal profession. He defends the indefensible, flips parties when it suits him, and now wants us to believe he’s some kind of truth-teller about Epstein and Trump. Give me a break.
Dershowitz wants credit for “leaving the Democrats” because they supposedly went too far left on Israel. Fine — people change parties. But let’s be real. In my opinion, after seeing the Epstein files, the man who once represented Jeffrey Epstein and helped craft that sweetheart 2008 non-prosecution deal has zero credibility when he starts lecturing the rest of us about morality, politics, or who Epstein did or didn’t have “dirt” on.
He claims Epstein told him Trump was clean as a whistle. He even says Epstein “wasn’t a pedophile.” After everything that’s come out in the public record? In my opinion, that’s not just spin — it’s the kind of gaslighting that makes your stomach turn.
To me, Dershowitz represents the worst of the elite legal class: a guy who knows every loophole, every powerful connection, and uses them to protect the powerful while the rest of us are told to trust the system. He’s been accused of serious misconduct tied to the Epstein circle (accusations he denies and that were later dropped), yet he keeps popping up on TV acting like the wise elder statesman. In my opinion, after reviewing the files and videos, he looks less like a principled lawyer and more like a professional protector of the very people the public has lost faith in.
This is political satire, folks — my raw, unfiltered take as a regular guy from Illinois who’s tired of the same insiders playing both sides of the aisle while real Americans suffer. I’m not a lawyer. I’m not a professor. I’m just Robert R. Motta, and after looking at the public Epstein evidence with my own eyes, I find Dershowitz’s whole performance **disgusting**. A liar. A fraud. An absolute embarrassment to anyone who still believes the legal profession should stand for justice instead of connections.
If this is the guy lecturing us about why he left the Democrats and what Epstein supposedly said about Trump, then maybe it’s time we all stop listening to the insiders and start demanding real accountability.
That’s my opinion. You can agree or disagree — but you can’t unsee what’s in those files.
**Robert R. Motta**
**votemotta2028.com**
*Satire. Opinion. No legal advice. Just one American’s honest review of the public record.*
**Dershowitz Transcript Exposed: Numbered Lies I Oppose + Why This Guy Is a Criminal, Disgusting Pedo Protector, Liar, Fraud & Total Embarrassment to Lawyers**
*Political Satire and Personal Opinion by Robert R. Motta*
*votemotta2028.com*
I just sat through the entire transcript of Alan Dershowitz on that podcast (the one where he brags about ditching the Democrats, spills what Epstein supposedly told him about Trump, and acts like he’s the last honest man in America). After reviewing **tons of the publicly released Epstein files, flight logs, videos, court docs, and depositions** — just like any regular guy from Illinois can do — here’s my raw, unfiltered take.
In **my opinion**, this transcript is a masterclass in gaslighting. Dershowitz is still out here defending the indefensible while pretending he’s a victim of “cancellation.” I oppose every single word of it. Below I’ve numbered the biggest lies I spot in the transcript — the ones that make my blood boil because they contradict the public Epstein record, common sense, and basic decency. These aren’t “opinions” — they’re the exact spots where the guy is lying through his teeth.
**Lie #1** (around 50:59): He says “Jeffrey Epstein… I regret defending. I wish I had never met him” — then immediately spends the next 10+ minutes **downplaying** Epstein’s crimes, claiming most “victims” were repeat $250 massage girls who came back voluntarily, that there was “no trafficking,” “no blackmail,” and “no real pedophiles” in the circle. Bull. Public files show a massive underage sex trafficking operation. This is classic pedo-protector talk.
**Lie #2** (around 59:35): “He was not a pedophile… I have no information about any pedophiles in the Epstein circle… He was interested in 16, 17, 18 year olds.” In my opinion, this is disgusting. Epstein’s own files, victim statements, and the plea deal Dershowitz helped craft prove the man preyed on minors. Calling it “not pedophilia” because they weren’t prepubescent is lawyer-speak sleaze.
**Lie #3** (around 56:39): “Epstein categorically told me that he had nothing on Donald Trump at all… Donald Trump had done nothing wrong whatsoever.” Convenient story from the guy who was Epstein’s lawyer during the sweetheart deal. Public flight logs and photos show Trump and Epstein were tight for years. I don’t buy it for a second.
**Lie #4** (around 58:40): “There was one camera and it was installed by the Palm Beach police… I don’t believe there were cameras… I don’t think he was blackmailing people.” The Epstein files are full of references to hidden cameras and missing footage. This is the same guy who swears he got a “non-sexual massage” on Epstein’s plane while his wife was supposedly there (transcript around 1:03:15). Wife confirmation or not, the vibe is gross. Weird old dude getting massages from young girls is a massive red flag.
**Lie #5** (throughout, especially 1:04:37): He plays the victim — “people yelling pedophile at me” — while denying any sexual contact “with any woman other than my wife.” Yet the public record shows accusations, lawsuits (later dropped), and the exact massage claims he calls “lies.” In my opinion, this is the same playbook as every other deranged lawyer named in the Epstein files.
**Lie #6** (scattered, especially Israel sections): He claims he’s a “civil libertarian” and “liberal centrist” who only left the Democrats over Israel. Reality? He’s funded by and rabidly pro-Israel (like Mike Huckabee and the rest of the deranged foreign-lobby crowd). Not America First. Never has been. This is the guy who helped Epstein get the deal of the century while screaming about “civil liberties.” Give me a break.
**Lie #7** (around 57:44): “I asked him specifically if you had any connection to any intelligence agencies… he said I had no connection… I confirm that with Mossad.” Sure, Alan. The guy with blackmail material on half of elite America had zero spy ties. Pull the other one.
Every single one of these is why I call him what he is: a **criminal enabler, disgusting pedo protector, liar, fraud, and absolute embarrassment to the legal profession**. He’s the poster boy for everything wrong with elite lawyers — the ones who get rich protecting the powerful, flip parties when it’s convenient, and then lecture the rest of us about morality. Gross. Women should stay far away from this weird old dude with the underage-girl-massage vibes. Red flag city.
This transcript proves it again: Dershowitz isn’t “cancelled” for defending Trump or Israel. He’s radioactive because the Epstein files show exactly who he really is — a protector of the worst people on the planet while pretending to be the last honest man standing.
That’s my opinion after reviewing the public record. Political satire from a regular American who’s sick of the insiders. You can agree or disagree, but you can’t unsee what’s in those Epstein files.
**Robert R. Motta**
**votemotta2028.com**
*Satire. Opinion. No legal advice. Just one guy from Illinois calling it like I see it after reading the public documents.*
Transcript
I don't take seriously intellectually anything anything Tucker Carlson said.
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Jeffrey Epsteinly I regret defending. I wish I had never met him. This guy comes over to me and starts yelling me pedophile pedophile pedophile and you know dirty Jew pedophile.24 seconds
Welcome back to Podforce 1. We are in New York with the legendary professor Alan Dersowitz who uh has been probably34 seconds
the most outspoken defender of civil liberties in his long career. Um but it's come at a heavy price. So we're41 seconds
about to speak to him about some of those costs. Good morning, Professor Dersowitz. Thanks for joining us.48 seconds
Well, thanks for having me on. As you say, I've been cancelled by a lot. I mean, the New York Times won't allow me to have opeds. I used to be the most frequent oped contributor among lawyers.59 seconds
Now they're specializing in giving platforms to neo-Nazis like Hassan Um, a lot of institutions have1 minute, 7 seconds
canceled me, the 92nd Street Y, Temple Emanuel. So, I'm glad you're having me on,1 minute, 13 seconds
of course. And were you cancelled because you dared to defend Donald Trump uh during his impeachment?1 minute, 21 seconds
Yes, that was the main reason. Uh, I've been cancelled because I support Israel.1 minute, 25 seconds
I've been cancelled, but primarily it's been Donald Trump. And uh, um, for example, I used to sit next to the owner1 minute, 33 seconds
of the Red Sox in Fenway Park. I was his frequent guest. He took me on his airplane. We went to the Galopagos together. We went on his boat. We were friends. Uh, and his wife and my wife.1 minute, 43 seconds
The minute I defended Donald Trump, he cut me off completely. I was never invited to Fenway Park again. Um, and that's been true of many friends. But1 minute, 52 seconds
the worst thing is I've been cancelled as a speaker. So people on Martha's Vineyard can't hear me speak at the library. People who come to the 92nd2 minutes
Street Y can't hear me speak. Temple Emanuel gives $25,000 to a person who denies Israel's right to2 minutes, 8 seconds
exist uh but won't allow me to speak. So the cancellation has been largely because of my defense of Donald Trump.2 minutes, 15 seconds
And now that I've become a Republican, uh the cancellations will increase. Um,2 minutes, 21 seconds
and um, uh, you know, and a lot of Republicans don't love me either because I'm not a right-winger. I'm a li civil2 minutes, 29 seconds
libertarian um, uh, iconoclastic um, individual thinker who goes where2 minutes, 37 seconds
the justice goes. So, uh, cancellation is probably my middle name.2 minutes, 42 seconds
Right. Yeah. I mean, you're you're right about Republicans not fully trusting you, even though you have now finally, I2 minutes, 50 seconds
think, a you know, quite a tragic thing for you with your family pedigree of being Democrats, having renounced the2 minutes, 58 seconds
party that you've stuck with through thick and thin. Um, but you are are really uh I think only renouncing them3 minutes, 6 seconds
on foreign policy. You still support all their domestic policy. Not all of them,3 minutes, 12 seconds
for example, don't support for the the the Democratic Party has now gotten behind a neo-Nazi in Maine. Uh I know,3 minutes, 21 seconds
you know, a Nazi uh uh uh cartoon on his body uh or symbol on his body. Um they're3 minutes, 30 seconds
supporting a candidate in Michigan for the Senate who campaigns with Hassan who's a Hitler supporter. Yeah.3 minutes, 37 seconds
Holocaust deny or a neo-Nazi. Uh, so no,3 minutes, 40 seconds
I'm I'm uh the Democrats have pushed me to become a Republican and uh uh I'm a3 minutes, 47 seconds
foreign policy primary Republican, but I also support their policies on fighting anti-semitism, the Republicans on some3 minutes, 56 seconds
of what they're doing to colleges and universities and trying to make them back, bring them back to being educational institutions, not propaganda4 minutes, 5 seconds
institutions. So, I go beyond foreign policy, but I still support a woman's right to choose. I support gay rights. I4 minutes, 12 seconds
support the environment. I support a lot of things that Democrats support, but a lot of Republicans support them, too.4 minutes, 18 seconds
Yeah. And I mean, look, I think of the Democrat party as being open borders, DEI,4 minutes, 26 seconds
uh, all all the woke nonsense, the gender transitions of children, um, and so on. I mean, that seems to me what4 minutes, 34 seconds
they've become on domestic issues and then, as you say, they're anti-Israel. Yeah. No, I'm opposed to open borders.4 minutes, 42 seconds
Obviously, I'm opposed to uh a surgical transition that is done uh over parents4 minutes, 50 seconds
objections and you know, extreme. And look, I'm a I'm a liberal centrist and America has always thrived at the4 minutes, 57 seconds
center. You know, in the 1930s, we were the only world power that didn't succumb to becoming either communist or fascist5 minutes, 4 seconds
because we had a moderate New Deal centrist Democrat. My grandmother had a picture of Franklin Delanor Roosevelt hanging in her house. We were Democrats.5 minutes, 15 seconds
We were Kennedy Democrats. We were Clinton Democrats. I'm not sure any of those people would today even recognize5 minutes, 23 seconds
the Democratic Party. I pity bore Bill Clinton who's a friend of mine. I haven't spoken to him for a while but uh you know he's a centrist Democrat and5 minutes, 31 seconds
now he's in the same party as these uh supporters of neo-Nazis and you know he's a very big supporter of Israel, a5 minutes, 38 seconds
supporter of the Jewish people. He must feel terrible a conflict. He's resolved it by staying within the Democratic5 minutes, 45 seconds
party and fighting. I resolved it by first leaving the Democratic party and becoming an independent. And then I decided being an independent for me is a5 minutes, 53 seconds
copout and I have to help the Republicans maintain control of the House, the Senate, and the presidency because the last thing I want is Liz Warren to be chairman of a committee.6 minutes, 3 seconds
You know, had lunch together for years and now she supports this Nazi in Maine and she supports this uh per supporter6 minutes, 12 seconds
in in Michigan. I can't identify with Liz Warren, with AOC, with Senator Murphy, who's become one of the most6 minutes, 19 seconds
anti-Israel American uh senators, and he's, you know, going to run for president, Chuck Shima. Well, you know,6 minutes, 26 seconds
Schumer tries hard. Uh although he today endorsed this candidate from uh Maine,6 minutes, 33 seconds
uh he wants to maintain, you know, he wants to become a majority leader and the only way to become a majority leader6 minutes, 39 seconds
is to have this Nazi defeat Collins. I don't know in his heart really whether he wants the Nazi to defeat Collins, but6 minutes, 47 seconds
he wants Collins to lose because he wants to pick up the main vote. That's not a principled person. Uh so I'm not a6 minutes, 54 seconds
big Chuck Schumer supporter. But considering the alternative, if Schumer is dumped, who are they going to get to be the leader of the Democratic party?7 minutes, 1 second
Uh ARC, they got Jeff who's not such great shakes either.7 minutes, 6 seconds
Yeah. And what do you think happened to the Democratic party uh over time? When do you think it lost its mojo and why7 minutes, 15 seconds
did it allow itself to be overtaken by really the radical leftwing? I mean, you were a anti-communist in your youth. Uh,7 minutes, 25 seconds
but now it seems that communism is the new flavor of the Democratic party,7 minutes, 29 seconds
particularly when you look at the the new very um popular new voices like Zora Mamani. He's that's where the energy is.7 minutes, 38 seconds
Yeah, I think it's coming from universities. at the University of Munich, at uh Berlin, uh at other places. Stalinism started at7 minutes, 46 seconds
universities. Castroism started at universities. Paul Pot, the butcher of Cambodia, had big support among students, young people. Uh you know,7 minutes, 57 seconds
when I was growing up, we would say don't trust anybody over 30. I'm now be say don't trust anybody under 30 and8 minutes, 4 seconds
their professors. Universities have become villains of this uh train, this transition. You know, I taught at8 minutes, 11 seconds
Harvard 50 years. I was probably the most well-known professor uh in modern Harvard history. Now, I can't get8 minutes, 18 seconds
invited back to speak at Harvard. They will not invite me back. They will not uh allow my books to be distributed at Harvard. They've sent books at Harvard Law School. They won't allow my book,8 minutes, 28 seconds
The Preventive State, to be distributed at Harvard Law School. Wow. They won't allow me to speak there. uh it's a onesided8 minutes, 37 seconds
uh uh place of propaganda. And if you want to know what a country will look like in 20 years, look at its colleges today. And if you look at what Harvard8 minutes, 46 seconds
and Yale, Yale at least admits that they have a problem. Uh Harvard has a great president. I love the president of Harvard, but presidents of Harvard don't8 minutes, 54 seconds
have a lot of power. It's the faculty that has the power and the student body that has the power. and universities are9 minutes, 1 second
becoming places of intolerance toward uh conservatism, intolerance toward centerism, intolerance toward9 minutes, 8 seconds
liberalism. I'm a liberal and I can't speak at Harvard because I'm not a radical. I spoke to um recently a law9 minutes, 15 seconds
professor um I won't mention which institution but um he said apart from the fact that you know 95% of the9 minutes, 23 seconds
students are liberal um it used to be that when students had debates they would be arguing9 minutes, 30 seconds
debates I haven't heard that word now in a long time debates debates well precisely it it was about9 minutes, 39 seconds
the constitution they would say there's no two sides to that issue. We're not going to allow the Lincoln Douglas debate. We're not going9 minutes, 47 seconds
to allow debates between Jefferson and and Hamilton. We're not going to allow those debates. You know, I used to debate at Harvard, William Buckley. He9 minutes, 55 seconds
was the great debater. I was the liberal debater. We used to debate uh and then go out and have a drink and enjoy each10 minutes, 3 seconds
other's company. Imagine having a Durowitz Buckley debate at Harvard today. It's inconceivable.10 minutes, 10 seconds
really imp you don't have debates at universities because these issues are not debatable. There's only one side to10 minutes, 19 seconds
the issue, the left side. And so, you know, the the model of Harvard Law School today is is Liz Warren and uh the10 minutes, 27 seconds
extreme extreme left. And I I challenge Liz Warren to debate me in front of Harvard Law School. A, she won't do it10 minutes, 35 seconds
because she'd get her rear end uh whipped, but uh but she won't do it because the Harvard Law School won't allow it. They will not allow a debate10 minutes, 43 seconds
between me and Liz Warren. Uh even though we're both former Harvard Law professors because they don't want the students to hear both sides. They're10 minutes, 52 seconds
afraid, God forbid, maybe I might win the debate and I might change some minds at Harvard and that's the last thing that Harvard wants. I'm not talking11 minutes, 1 second
about again the president of Harvard or even the dean of the law school. I'm talking about dominant members of the11 minutes, 7 seconds
faculty and of the uh student body. So h how did they get so much power to shut11 minutes, 15 seconds
down what's an essential part of our cultures ability to discuss ideas which is you11 minutes, 25 seconds
know testing either sides of a debate in a reasonable way because what's the alternative propaganda? Um h how did it11 minutes, 34 seconds
get to that? And just I mean I I also want to ask you about Liz Warren because she was one of your students as was Ted11 minutes, 41 seconds
Cruz. So obviously you weren't propagandizing because they're two opposites.11 minutes, 47 seconds
I loved having Ted Cruz as a student because he walked into my class first day in law school with his right hand raised and he never put it down all11 minutes, 55 seconds
semester. Challenged everything I said and did. I should have paid him half my salary. uh we disagreed about everything12 minutes, 3 seconds
and that's what law school classes should be about. I didn't have Liz Warren as a student. I had her as a colleague for many years. We taught the12 minutes, 11 seconds
same section because we were both regarded as very good classroom teachers. And she was had a reputation as a good classroom teacher, not as a12 minutes, 18 seconds
scholar or as a deep thinker, but as somebody who was a a good a good teacher. And I supported her when she ran for the Senate. In fact, she called12 minutes, 27 seconds
me over and she sat me down and she said, "Allan, I don't know anything about the Middle East. I don't even know where Israel is." Um, wow. And I have to12 minutes, 34 seconds
go to the Senate now. Please give me a tutorial. So, I spent a few hours with her explaining the Middle East to her. I12 minutes, 41 seconds
was a total failure as a teacher. She's now become a Hamas supporting, Hezbollah supporting, hardleft, anti-Israel,12 minutes, 49 seconds
anti-American, and I think she's crossed the line to anti-semitism. This is my former colleague Liz Warren who will12 minutes, 56 seconds
take over various chairmanships of the Senate if the Senate get a majority which they which they may but over my very very very strong opposition.13 minutes, 7 seconds
Professor Durowitz, what was the galvanizing moment that made you decide just a few weeks ago that you were going13 minutes, 15 seconds
to publicly renounce the the Democratic Party, join the Republican party, which is the Trump Republican Party of all13 minutes, 23 seconds
things, which of course is just Satan's work, uh, if you ask most of your former Democrats.13 minutes, 31 seconds
Well, it was a gradual process. I left the Democratic Party when they had their convention and their convention became a platform for anti-Israel, anti-American,13 minutes, 41 seconds
anti-Semitic speakers. They didn't have any pro-Israel uh speakers in 2024.13 minutes, 47 seconds
Yeah. And that Yeah.13 minutes, 48 seconds
caused me to leave the Democrats, but I became an independent. And then when the Democrats start nominating uh people13 minutes, 54 seconds
like the candidate from um Maine and potentially the candidate from Michigan and started putting at the center of14 minutes, 4 seconds
their party people like Bernie Sanders who is the most anti-Semitic senator in modern history. He's Jewish but he's a Jew. Let's never forget that thousands,14 minutes, 15 seconds
not tens of thousands, thousands of Jews voted for Adolf Hitler in the 1932 election in Germany. And Bernie Sanders14 minutes, 23 seconds
would have voted for would have voted for Stalin. I have no doubt about that.14 minutes, 27 seconds
He would have supported Pulpot in his uh genocide against the people of Cambodia.14 minutes, 33 seconds
He surely would have supported Castro in his attempted genocide against the people of Cuba. He's a he's an evil evil14 minutes, 40 seconds
man. and um and yet he's the face he now claims to be the leader of the Democratic party. He said, "Look, I got14 minutes, 48 seconds
40 votes against Israel." Um and and and Schumer only got seven votes. And look,14 minutes, 54 seconds
there's an election occurring now on the upper west side of New York, a largely Jewish Democratic area where um I live.15 minutes, 1 second
I don't live on the Upper West Side, but it's part of my voting district, although I'm I'm not a New York voter.15 minutes, 5 seconds
I'm a Florida resident. But uh in that race for the Senate seat, for the House seat, the campaign is who's more15 minutes, 14 seconds
anti-Israel? One Jew is voting running against the other. No, I'm more anti-Israel. No, no, no. I'm more anti-Israel than you are. I'm even more15 minutes, 21 seconds
anti-Israel. That's the campaign for the Democratic nomination. Whoever gets the Democratic nomination will win the election. The guy who's likely to win is15 minutes, 30 seconds
Jack Schlloberg, the Kennedy uh grandson, who's a complete idiot, a complete mor15 minutes, 37 seconds
uh do you know he actually had a a a podcast in which he claimed I killed my15 minutes, 44 seconds
wife when I produced my wife. He had really Yeah. I mean, the guy is a complete idiot and he is15 minutes, 51 seconds
wins the nomination. I may well sue him for defamation um for his absurd claim that I killed my15 minutes, 59 seconds
wife and other claims about me. Um and you know I was his uncle's lawyer. I was Ted Kennedy's lawyer. Yeah.16 minutes, 6 seconds
Bobby Kennedy. I I met and worked for the election of John Kennedy. I've been a Kennedy supporter but Schlloberg is a complete even though he went to16 minutes, 15 seconds
Harvard Law School. Um but uh uh that's who the Democrats are pushing these days. Look, there are some Republicans16 minutes, 22 seconds
who I oppose just as strongly, but uh when you get a woman like Bush running again for um election in the St. Louis,16 minutes, 31 seconds
Missouri area, she's an overt anti-semite and and and the Democrats are going to nominate her again. So, you16 minutes, 38 seconds
know, I feel like I'm in 1932 Berlin at the standing up against what was going on.16 minutes, 45 seconds
Not 1938. I'm not saying 1938, but in 1932, before the election of Hitler as chancellor, the universities were16 minutes, 54 seconds
turning against Jews. If there was Israel, they'd have been turning against Israel. And uh I feel I'm one of the few people who am standing up against my old17 minutes, 2 seconds
my old party. Look, I became a Democrat when I was 14 years old. I used to go with a loudspeaker and campaign for a guy named Philip Shupler who was running for assembly of the Democratic ticket.17 minutes, 12 seconds
So, I've been a Democrat for 70 years. I now am strongly opposed to that party. I want them defeated in every single election. Not everyone. There are a few.17 minutes, 24 seconds
There's this Senate congressman from New Jersey. There's a couple of uh Congress people from other places that I want to see elected, but I want to see the17 minutes, 32 seconds
Democrats lose control of the House and lose control of the Senate and lose control of the presidency because I am scared of them. They are against17 minutes, 42 seconds
America. They're against Israel. They're against Jews. And the leading people against the Jews are other Jews. Thank17 minutes, 48 seconds
God for Christians and and and Muslims who support Israel. Uh Israel cannot count on its Jewish population. Many support um Israel. Most support Israel,18 minutes
but some of its most viferous opponents,18 minutes, 3 seconds
organizations like Jewish Voice for Peace, which isn't Jewish and doesn't have a voice and is against peace. But um you know they are leading the18 minutes, 12 seconds
campaign against Israel along with a group like the Nura Carta uh very very ultraorththodox anti-ionists who support18 minutes, 20 seconds
Iran who want Iran to get a nuclear bomb. These are just self-defeating self-hating idiots and I'm going to stand up against them. I'm 87 years old.18 minutes, 29 seconds
I don't have the strength I had when I was 47 but I'm going to use every bit of strength I have to oppose the Democrats.18 minutes, 37 seconds
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It's interesting that you raise 1930s Berlin because that is something that a lot of never Trump as anti-Trump people19 minutes, 56 seconds
do as well. But they say that Trump is Hitler, that Trump is the existential threat. Uh and because of that, we have20 minutes, 5 seconds
to um throw aside all legal nicities just to get Trump. That was the uh premise of one of your many best-selling20 minutes, 14 seconds
books. Um, but just you've met Donald Trump. Um, I mean, you've never voted for him, I gather, but what what do you make of him? Is he Hitler?20 minutes, 25 seconds
Oh, quite the opposite. I mean, I don't think Hitler stood up for the Jewish community and imposed restrictions on on20 minutes, 33 seconds
Harvard uh because of its uh failure to deal with anti-semitism. Trump is the anti-Hitler. He's exactly the opposite.20 minutes, 41 seconds
He's standing up for the Jewish community. He's standing up for Israel.20 minutes, 45 seconds
be standing up against universities. Is he going too far? Reasonable people could disagree. I don't want to see uh Harvard lose its funding for cancer20 minutes, 53 seconds
research or Alzheimer's research. I would like to see selective uh cutting off of funds for the Divinity School,21 minutes, 2 seconds
which has become very anti-Israel, the public health school, very anti-Israel.21 minutes, 6 seconds
Uh some of the departments very anti-Israel. Yeah, that that's fine. But I don't want to see cancer research uh cut off. So, you know, I have my21 minutes, 14 seconds
criticisms of the Republicans. I have my criticisms of Trump, but on balance, I prefer Trump uh over today's uh uh21 minutes, 22 seconds
Democrats. I don't disclose who I voted for in the last election, but I can tell you up until then, it was Democrats all21 minutes, 31 seconds
the way, but I will not vote for Democrats this time. I'll vote for Josh Gottheimr in New Jersey. I don't vote in New Jersey, but I will support him and21 minutes, 39 seconds
send him money because he's a great great guy. And uh there are a handful of others um uh in the Senate uh Jackie Rosen and and a few others like that.21 minutes, 49 seconds
But John Edman is my is my hero, my favorite guy. I will campaign for him. Um and uh21 minutes, 56 seconds
he's the only thing that's left of the de almost the only thing left of the Democratic party. Seven Democrats, only seven Democrats voted against cutting22 minutes, 5 seconds
off aid to Israel and almost all the Jewish senators, uh, including Adam Schiff, voted to cut off aid against,22 minutes, 12 seconds
um, against Israel. Adam Schiff was a student at Harvard Law School and not a supporter of his either.22 minutes, 19 seconds
Was Adam Schiff one of your students? I don't remember him as a student. No. Was Was Ted Cruz um, a good student?22 minutes, 26 seconds
Great student. I mean, he was the kind of student every decent professor should like. Some of the professors didn't like him because he stood up to them, but you22 minutes, 34 seconds
know, as a 21-year-old freshman student right out of Princeton,22 minutes, 40 seconds
uh, he was willing to stand up to professors and I knew he had a future.22 minutes, 44 seconds
And And was he clever?22 minutes, 46 seconds
Very, very smart. Very smart. Very, very quick, very clever, very smart. Um and um and he's uh I think done a lot of22 minutes, 54 seconds
good um u particularly for Israel, for the Jewish community, and I think for America as well. So uh I sent him contributions. I even started sending23 minutes, 3 seconds
him contributions while I was still a Democrat.23 minutes, 6 seconds
He may end up on the Supreme Court one day.23 minutes, 9 seconds
Well, I don't think I'm not sure he would take it. Uh he he would be a very interesting justice, but um I think he wants to stay in politics. I don't know.23 minutes, 17 seconds
I can't be I can't be sure. Uh but he'd be an interesting Supreme Court uh interesting Supreme Court choice.23 minutes, 24 seconds
And now uh Donald Trump of course has um attacked Iran. He's hellbent on ensuring23 minutes, 32 seconds
they don't have a nuclear weapon. Um and that's caused him uh quite a lot of grief among his own supporters. Uh I'm23 minutes, 41 seconds
thinking particularly of Tucker Carlson um and you know some some other high-profile but also just base supporters and there is in their23 minutes, 50 seconds
objections to war. I know Tucker Carlson's very anti-war has been since the Iraq war.23 minutes, 56 seconds
He is just he's anti-Trump. He'd be in favor of war if it was the kind of war he supported. He's he's a phony and a24 minutes, 4 seconds
hypocrite. He he has no principles whatsoever. And so don't take him seriously when he says he's anti-war.24 minutes, 12 seconds
Even when he says isolationist, he just picks and chooses. Um, and if it's in favor of Trump, he's going to be against it. You know, he's I I don't take24 minutes, 20 seconds
seriously intellectually anything anything Tucker Carlson says. I used to be on his show a lot and um when he24 minutes, 29 seconds
became very anti-immigrant uh I pointed out the fact that his ancestors I think on his mother's side I24 minutes, 36 seconds
have forget which side were Irish and uh immigrants and he was furious of me and canceled me from his show. Well regardless I mean he's not the only one.24 minutes, 46 seconds
There are, you know, Republican conservatives, I guess, MAGA, who are furious with Donald Trump because they24 minutes, 53 seconds
uh say that he promised not to start new wars. And maybe they're not even Republicans. They might have been independents or, you know, uh, Democrat25 minutes, 2 seconds
dissident. Um, and and they also now that has taken a turn to being anti-Israel.25 minutes, 9 seconds
Um, and then there's the morphing over to whether it's just anti-Zionism or anti-semitism. Do you see a distinction?25 minutes, 17 seconds
Not the way people practice it. If you only are anti-Zionist, if you're in favor of uh if you if you haven't said25 minutes, 24 seconds
anything about the genocide in Sudan or what's happening to the Uggers or what happened previously, then you're an anti-semite. If you just single out25 minutes, 33 seconds
Israel as the only country you're opposed to and call it anti- Zionism,25 minutes, 38 seconds
that's a cover for anti-semitism. Uh there are genuine people who are not anti-Semitic who don't support the current Israeli government with Natau.25 minutes, 47 seconds
Okay, that's a that's a fair point. But that's not generally what's going on on college campuses today. We're college campuses today. The line between25 minutes, 56 seconds
anti-ionism and anti-semitism is essentially disappeared.26 minutes
And what do you make of uh Donald Trump's campaign in Iran? Do you think it's going well? I'm completely in favor of doing everything to prevent Iran from26 minutes, 9 seconds
developing nuclear weapons, including regime change. Look, this will never ever bring about peace in the Middle East as long as the current regime is in26 minutes, 18 seconds
power. This is the perfect moral case for regime change. And um we should not give up until there is a new regime,26 minutes, 28 seconds
until the people of Iran uh take over democratically. Uh the vast majority of Iranians don't want the mulas in charge.26 minutes, 36 seconds
It's a tyrannical regime and we should be supporting regime change. Now I'm not saying boots on the ground. I'm saying26 minutes, 43 seconds
that we should do everything in our power uh to see that uh a new regime comes in, a democratic regime, a regime26 minutes, 50 seconds
that represents the people of Iran, a regime that gives up its nuclear weapon ambitions,26 minutes, 57 seconds
a regime that doesn't close the straits of Harmuz. You know, I was one of the people who urged uh President Trump to27 minutes, 4 seconds
close the Straits of Hormuz if Iran decides which ships go through. I wrote an oped just about a week before he27 minutes, 12 seconds
decided to close the straits. In which I said, look, Iran shouldn't have the choice of opening it up to some boats and not others. The United States should27 minutes, 19 seconds
say to Iran, it's either open to all or it's closed to all. And they did. I'm completely in favor of it. And I think27 minutes, 26 seconds
it's working. Now, Trump doesn't want to restart the war at the moment. He may have to. Um, but uh I don't believe27 minutes, 34 seconds
negotiations will result in uh an end of Iran's nuclear uh weapon ambition or a27 minutes, 42 seconds
permanent opening of the straits of Hermuse. So, I suspect that a military uh more military action will be necessary. I hope I'm wrong. I hate war.27 minutes, 52 seconds
I would much much prefer to see a negotiated resolution. But the U Obama negotiated resolution. I wrote a book28 minutes
about it called the case against the Iran deal was terrible. It guaranteed Iran by this time they would have had a nuclear arsenal under the um under the28 minutes, 9 seconds
Obama deal. So I would like to see a far far far better deal with all of Iran's enriched material taken out of the country brought to a neutral country.28 minutes, 20 seconds
And ultimately, I'd like to see regime change.28 minutes, 23 seconds
And I think the um operation economic epic fury has been very successful too in uh making Iran broke. I think that's28 minutes, 33 seconds
probably having an effect on those in charge. I have great compassion for Americans,28 minutes, 38 seconds
you know, particularly those who drive for a living, whose gas prices go up.28 minutes, 42 seconds
I've made another proposal that I wish the United States would seriously consider. I think we should delink American oil from uh uh international28 minutes, 51 seconds
oil. We have a plethora of oil. We can start charging a half price for oil.28 minutes, 58 seconds
Bring the gas prices in the United States down and tell OPEC, which is now about to probably disintegrate, but tell29 minutes, 5 seconds
the world, hey, you want to change, you want to charge a lot of money for your oil that is blocked from the Straits of Hormuz, fine. American oil is going down29 minutes, 13 seconds
to $60 a barrel. And we will sell it to our friends. We will sell it to our own gas people. We'll bring the price of gas29 minutes, 22 seconds
down in America. The price of gas in Europe will be up. That's your problem,29 minutes, 26 seconds
not our problem. How do you force private companies though to uh cut their profits in half and continue to explore29 minutes, 35 seconds
and spend the money uh opening new sources of oil because there are windfall profits.29 minutes, 41 seconds
They're making money off the closure of the straits of Harmuz. And what we can say is you can go 20% make 20% profit uh29 minutes, 52 seconds
on your costs etc. But uh we're not going to let you get windfalls based on something that doesn't affect your oil.30 minutes
It doesn't go through the straits of Hormuz. We've done that over and over again, particularly in wartime. And I think we can have our cake and eat it.30 minutes, 7 seconds
That is we can sell gas to Americans at low prices, bring the price of gas way,30 minutes, 12 seconds
way, way down, and at the same time keep it high um in in Europe and other places. Um you know, that's essentially30 minutes, 20 seconds
what Trump has done with his tariffs. uh use economy to help Americans and to hurt Americans enemies. I think we can30 minutes, 29 seconds
do that. Uh but it will take a lot of effort and a lot of economists are opposed to it. But uh a lot of people were opposed to closing the straits of30 minutes, 36 seconds
of farm when I supported it and now are in favor of it. So, I'm in favor of at least starting to think about how we can30 minutes, 43 seconds
we we can delink the price of American oil from the price the international price that's artificially raised because30 minutes, 52 seconds
of Iran's decision to close the straits of Haramoose.30 minutes, 55 seconds
That would be a fantastic idea if it were possible. Um, and uh now we always hear about Donald Trump. I mean, you know him. Uh, I know him a little bit.31 minutes, 6 seconds
He doesn't seem to me to be someone who's easily controllable.31 minutes, 11 seconds
In fact, he's the opposite. Um but the um narrative is taken hold in some um31 minutes, 18 seconds
parts of uh the Republican party and of course the Democrats that BB Netanyahu,31 minutes, 23 seconds
the prime minister of Israel, basically coerced him, tricked him into um joining31 minutes, 30 seconds
the Iran attacks. this anti-semitic trope, the the Jews pull the strings.31 minutes, 37 seconds
They control the puppets. Donald Trump is only a puppet. He's doing what Natanyahu wants. I've known Natu since31 minutes, 44 seconds
1970. That's a long time. I've known Donald Trump probably since the 80s or or 90s. I can tell you one thing, Donald Trump is not controlled by Benjamin Ao.31 minutes, 55 seconds
They have an arms length relationship.31 minutes, 57 seconds
Uh Donald Trump has some tensions with Nantino. he will never do anything just because Natino asked him to do it. It's32 minutes, 5 seconds
a myth and it's an anti-Semitic myth to say that uh Benjamin Nato pulls the strings and controls um Nat controls32 minutes, 14 seconds
Trump. He doesn't. Trump makes his own decisions. He makes them for what's best for America. And I'm I'm glad he made32 minutes, 21 seconds
the decision to go uh into Iran to help destroy its nuclear materials and to destroy its rocket capacity. I think32 minutes, 30 seconds
this will go down in history as a good war, a just war. Uh I make an analogy 1935. If Winston Churchill had been32 minutes, 37 seconds
prime minister of England 1935 and he had militarily attacked Nazi Germany for violating the Versail treaty, a preventive war, totally preventive war,32 minutes, 49 seconds
he could have saved 50 million lives. 50 million lives. Instead, he wrote a book called While Europe Slept. and John32 minutes, 57 seconds
Kennedy used that title in his book and they allowed Nazi Germany to become stronger and stronger until it conquered33 minutes, 4 seconds
all of Europe, killed 50 million people including 6 million Jews. And I think that the attack on Iran may have saved33 minutes, 12 seconds
50 million lives. If Iran would have developed nuclear arsenal and would have used it against Israel and against the33 minutes, 19 seconds
world and now that we know they would have used it probably against Qatar and against uh the Emirates and against other Arab countries, this war may go33 minutes, 28 seconds
down in history as one of the most important preventive wars ever. Now, you know, history is blind to the future.33 minutes, 34 seconds
So, we'll never know how many lives he prevented. If Churchill had attacked Germany and killed 10,000 Germans and 5,000 Brits in 1935, we'd never know that he saved 50 million lives. So, uh,33 minutes, 46 seconds
it takes a lot to engage in a preventive war when you're not going to get the benefit.33 minutes, 52 seconds
No, you you you're never going to get the the credit for, uh, for stopping something that that hasn't happened yet.33 minutes, 58 seconds
Um, and I I you you talk about your knowing Donald Trump since the 80s. Is34 minutes, 5 seconds
it true that um Leona Helmsley who was uh one of your the queen of mean she was called a hotel proprietor in New York34 minutes, 14 seconds
City um she had stolen a teddy bear from Donald Trump and that was how you first talked to him.34 minutes, 21 seconds
That's right. What happened is my little girl was born and I was representing Leona Helmsley and she sent by air by34 minutes, 30 seconds
airplane and a limo a giant teddy bear um that my daughter still has in her room. She's now 37 years old, 37.34 minutes, 40 seconds
She has it in her room. She was one 1990. Um and um and um one day she34 minutes, 47 seconds
called I was her lawyer and uh she said to me had had Ella like the teddy bear and I said she loved it and then Leona34 minutes, 56 seconds
in her deep voice says I stole it from Donald Trump and she explained to me how she sold him Rumple Meers the the uh the great uh little restaurant in the St.35 minutes, 9 seconds
Meritz hotel that she owned and and and and part of the sale was all of the stuffed animals that were its kind of35 minutes, 16 seconds
kind of symbol and she said and I stole that and I took it upstairs and I gave it to you and I said Leona I have to give it back. I can't have my daughter35 minutes, 24 seconds
have a stolen no call Donald he'll be okay with it. So I managed to get Donald Trump on the phone. He was then just a35 minutes, 31 seconds
real estate guy. And I had advised him a little bit on when he was building Marilago um on just just one of one or35 minutes, 38 seconds
two phone calls. And so he took my call and I said, "I have a a stolen bear." He said, "Oh, we all know that. We all knew stolen. We didn't know it was for you,35 minutes, 50 seconds
but now that I know it's for you, you can keep it with my blessings and just tell your daughter it's from Uncle Donald." My daughter, Uncle Donald's36 minutes
teddy bear. I have to tell you, my daughter did not vote for Donald Trump and so not thrilled about having Donald36 minutes, 7 seconds
Trump's teddy bear, but we do have Donald Trump's teddy bear and in my daughter's um bedroom. So, uh that's how36 minutes, 16 seconds
that's the origin of my relationship with uh with Donald Trump through Leona Helmsley and this little um this bear.36 minutes, 24 seconds
You've had some amazing um clients. uh very high-profile cases. Um there was Klaus von Bulo um I was particularly36 minutes, 33 seconds
interested in because of course you wrote a book about it. Reversal of reversal of Fortune I believe turned into an Oscar winning movie which is fantastic movie.36 minutes, 42 seconds
Late son Elon who died this past year um made the movie and he gets the credit for it. He brought it to Hollywood. He36 minutes, 50 seconds
persuaded uh uh Jeremy Irons to play Claus Vanbulo and brilliantly play me and it's a great movie and it's36 minutes, 59 seconds
a great a great heritage for my son Elon who was a movie maker. Yes, it is. And um tell us about Elon.37 minutes, 8 seconds
Well, my son Elon was a remarkable young man. when he was 10 years old, he had a malignant brain tumor and they told him he wouldn't live to his bar mitzvah and37 minutes, 16 seconds
uh we took him all over the world to have radiation and the best kind of treatment and he lived an additional 54 years but tragically it ultimately37 minutes, 24 seconds
caught up to him in the past August and he tragically died a peaceful death but uh I miss him every single day. I worked37 minutes, 31 seconds
with him all the time. I've dedicated my books to him. He was the producer of my um podcast. Um and just a a a great37 minutes, 40 seconds
person. Last night I went to the Antiquarian Book Fair in New York, which I do every year. I used to go every year with Elon. He used to love to collect37 minutes, 49 seconds
books and posters with me. And so I have a new book coming out which I've dedicated to him. It's called uh Founding Fathers and One Jewish Mother.37 minutes, 58 seconds
Founding Fathers of the United States,38 minutes
Washington Jefferson Hamilton with the Founding Fathers and One Mother. gold mayier of Israel and it has a lot of my38 minutes, 8 seconds
collection of documents uh uh early copy of the constitution, early copy of the declaration, early copy of uh common38 minutes, 16 seconds
sense with early copies of letters um uh about the uh founding of Israel. So um38 minutes, 23 seconds
he helped me very much collecting the material and so I've dedicated the book to him.38 minutes, 28 seconds
Oh, how wonderful. you are incredibly prolific um in your I mean that sounds like a that that doesn't even sound like38 minutes, 36 seconds
a compliment but your books are amazing and you have you know enormous energy um you're you seem driven I mean I think38 minutes, 44 seconds
you're 87 you've told us um you're you're driven still to produce and keep working and not retire what what is38 minutes, 53 seconds
behind that the what the horrible world that we live in and the dangers that we face I really think of myself as uh living in 193239 minutes, 2 seconds
Berlin and I can't let up. I can't allow uh 2026 uh America to become what happened in Nazi Germany in 33, 34, 35,39 minutes, 14 seconds
38, and ultimately 4041 with the Holocaust. I don't know that I'll live to see um the end, but I'm going to do39 minutes, 22 seconds
everything as long as I'm alive to prevent um the world from turning into what it turned into in the late 30s and39 minutes, 30 seconds
early 40s. I'm very very concerned about that. And I'm concerned that it's the hard left today, not the hard right39 minutes, 37 seconds
that's driving uh the world against the Jews, against the Jewish people, against Judeo-Christian values, American values.39 minutes, 44 seconds
And as long as I have the energy, I'm going to fight against that no matter how many enemies I make. And believe me,39 minutes, 50 seconds
I will make enemies. I'm going to go up to Martha's Vineyard this summer as I have since the day I first went there to defend Ted Kennedy when he was accused39 minutes, 59 seconds
of homicide for driving his car uh and a woman off a bridge. From the day I went there, I'm going back and nobody will40 minutes, 7 seconds
talk to me. And there will be a few restaurants that won't serve me. Uh,40 minutes, 11 seconds
hey, I have my few friends and my few restaurants that do serve me, but I've lived my life based on principle. I'm going to live my life until the end40 minutes, 20 seconds
based on principle. I'll never deviate from my principles, no matter how many enemies it makes.40 minutes, 25 seconds
Well, I think your enemies look like worms. I know the story. Tell us about Larry David. Um, classic, you know, a friend of yours. What did he do?40 minutes, 35 seconds
It was a one-sided friend. I mean, he always asked me for things. He never gave me anything. He asked me to help his daughter get into college, which I40 minutes, 43 seconds
did. He asked me for a number of other favors, which I which I did. And you know, we were he used came to my house40 minutes, 51 seconds
and worked out in my gym. He would come over the house and had dinner all all the time. Uh but the minute I defended40 minutes, 58 seconds
Donald Trump, he started screaming at me and yelling at me and saying I was despicable and horrible and all of that.41 minutes, 5 seconds
And so our uh one-sided friendship uh uh terminated and uh uh but uh you know my41 minutes, 13 seconds
wife never liked Curb Your Enthusiasm. I did uh but I can't watch it anymore because I realized that the Kromagin41 minutes, 20 seconds
character is not a character. He it's the real Larry David. So he's you know he's a mean nasty man and41 minutes, 29 seconds
he can't tolerate uh contact with people who have a different point of view from him politically. So, uh, that's not the kind of friend I want to have.41 minutes, 37 seconds
And you you mentioned that you defended Ted Kennedy after Chabakquitig. Um, what what was your impression of him? I There41 minutes, 46 seconds
doesn't seem to be anything really defensible about the fact that he left a young woman to drown.41 minutes, 52 seconds
He tried. No, he went back. He went back uh on on several occasions tried to open up the window, tried to save her, and he41 minutes, 59 seconds
couldn't do it. Um, and the evidence showed that, you know, what what he did was not uh a felony. Uh, and you know,42 minutes, 7 seconds
he pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. And,42 minutes, 10 seconds
uh, uh, look, I was his lawyer, so I have to present his point of view. Um,42 minutes, 16 seconds
you know, I also worked with his brother, uh, Bobby, and I was working on his campaign at the time he was killed.42 minutes, 22 seconds
And I was a law clerk in the Supreme Court on the day John Kennedy was killed. And I was the one who had to tell the justices who were in a secret42 minutes, 30 seconds
conference where nobody's allowed in. I had to knock on the door and tell them that the president had and I I had the42 minutes, 38 seconds
only I had the only television in the whole Supreme Court because I'm a baseball fan. my little TV there from the World Series and all the justices42 minutes, 46 seconds
came to my little cubicle, my little law clerk office and we watched as Walter Kankite announced his death. It was a a momentous occasion uh and a terrible,42 minutes, 58 seconds
terrible tragedy. But I was very close to the Kennedy family. But then just to show you the culmination maybe why Jack Sockberg doesn't like me. So, I got43 minutes, 7 seconds
seated next to um Caroline Kennedy at a dinner party on Martha's Vineyard and she sat down and she said, "Oh, Allan, I43 minutes, 14 seconds
wish I knew you were coming. If I knew you were coming, I would never have shown up." Um, wow.43 minutes, 20 seconds
Said, "Why?" "Because you represented Donald Trump." I said, "But I also represented Ted Kennedy." And she didn't43 minutes, 27 seconds
say anything. And she said, "I'm too polite to leave." So, she didn't leave.43 minutes, 32 seconds
Oh, that was pretty rude. Yeah. pretty undiplomatic for a former ambassador to Australia.43 minutes, 37 seconds
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I think her son Jack didn't like the way I spoke to her and then he accused me of killing my43 minutes, 45 seconds
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Comfort lives here. You know, the assassinations, you you've lived through that era of assassinations with Martin45 minutes, 9 seconds
Luther King and the Kennedys. Um, we now have a situation where Donald Trump's been uh targeted for assassination three45 minutes, 19 seconds
times, really four times if you count the guy who burst through the gates of Mara Lago with a shotgun and gas canister45 minutes, 26 seconds
happened yet from Iran. I mean, the fox was put on him.45 minutes, 31 seconds
They they tried to kill him. So, he's been subject to more assassination attempts than any president in American45 minutes, 37 seconds
history. And uh uh I worry and actually when I watched the the um dinner uh the other night, even before it happened, I said to my wife, I'm very concerned.45 minutes, 48 seconds
This is a very big gathering. Who knows um uh what could happen here. So I worry for for for Donald Trump and uh and uh I45 minutes, 58 seconds
hope he serves out his term without any further uh assassination attempts.46 minutes, 4 seconds
He's heading to China soon and uh I I think that's very unwise because China46 minutes, 10 seconds
is uh he's he's the only obstacle between President Xi and world domination. I think he he Donald Trump46 minutes, 19 seconds
personally. So they have every motivation in the world to rub him out.46 minutes, 24 seconds
Oh, I I think I think Chi and and Trump have a good relationship. I think he's safe in China. I think he's less safe in46 minutes, 31 seconds
Brooklyn. H. So, let's talk about Brooklyn. Um, that's where you grew up and your roots and and I I guess what46 minutes, 40 seconds
drives you really at heart? Um, what what were your parents like and were there Holocaust survivors in your family?46 minutes, 49 seconds
Oh, there were many Holocaust survivors and many Holocaust victims in my family.46 minutes, 53 seconds
Um, I recently learned of a 16-year-old girl who was raped, murdered, uh, in Ashvitz and her 14 and a half-year-old47 minutes, 1 second
brother who was and killed. Um, uh, I lost many relatives um, in in the Holocaust. But47 minutes, 8 seconds
fortunately, my grandfather uh, at age two uh, came to America in 1889. And so47 minutes, 17 seconds
my family has lived here since the end of the 19th century, beginning of the 20th century. grew up in Burough Park or47 minutes, 24 seconds
not poverty family but you know lower middle class we didn't have extra money I never got toys um used comic books and47 minutes, 34 seconds
uh um and uh but a great neighborhood burough park uh modern orthodox uh neighborhood I'm so ashamed of Brooklyn47 minutes, 42 seconds
now when I think of this horrible co-op in Brooklyn now on Park Slope that uh is viriantly anti-semitic I want to see it closed down Um, you know, Brooklyn, uh,47 minutes, 53 seconds
today is one of the most, uh, Jewish neighborhoods and anti-Semitic, uh,47 minutes, 59 seconds
in the country. It it's a it's a kind of, uh, small picture of America, uh, of the extremism of America. But, um, I'm a48 minutes, 9 seconds
little I'm more ashamed of Brooklyn than I am proud of it. Uh although some of my good friends and you know particularly48 minutes, 16 seconds
in the Italian-American community and the Irish-American community, they're so pro-Israel, they're so pro-Jewish, um but so many people in the left wing of48 minutes, 26 seconds
Brooklyn, including many Jews, um uh have turned so strongly against Israel and against America that uh when you go48 minutes, 34 seconds
to Brooklyn, you have to be careful what neighborhoods you go to. M. And so you grew up um your parents were Orthodox Jews and you apparently weren't terribly48 minutes, 43 seconds
good academically at school, which is surprising considering I think you became you were first in your class in Harvard.48 minutes, 51 seconds
Yeah. Well, within five years, I turned from last to first. I was um I think 39th out of 47 in my high school class.49 minutes
Um with a C average, but I did win a New York State scholarship because I was good at competitive exams. But um but I49 minutes, 9 seconds
had trouble getting to college. I didn't have the grades to get into college. I finally got into Brooklyn College through an exam that a competitive exam49 minutes, 16 seconds
you could take. And then I finished first uh among the men at Brooklyn College and then first at Yale Law School and then you know within five49 minutes, 25 seconds
years or six years of being last in my class at high school I was offered a professorship at Harvard. How did that49 minutes, 33 seconds
happen? You know I was very motivated to show my rabbis how wrong they were. You know, I went to Yeshiva High School and49 minutes, 40 seconds
um I was regarded as a B. I I recently found a record that I have a 78 record.49 minutes, 48 seconds
Uh I was in a journal American oral contest and my mother made a 78 record of my speech with Brooklyn accent about49 minutes, 57 seconds
Abraham Lincoln. As we gaze in retrospect through the battles of American history, we see great men. Um,50 minutes, 4 seconds
and so, um, uh, you know, I was always a smart kid, but I, my rabbis didn't like me. And so they even made me second in the ortorial contest, even though I was,50 minutes, 16 seconds
you know, pretty good. Um, but, uh, once I got into college, I thrived. I was on I became president of the student body,50 minutes, 24 seconds
head of the debating team. We even won the athletic championship, my little house plant. I was a good athlete. Um,50 minutes, 32 seconds
and so I thrived once I got into college and uh then law school and then you know 50 years at Harvard but now uh after 5050 minutes, 41 seconds
years at Harvard and I'm not welcome back there.50 minutes, 43 seconds
Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it? And now of all your um famous and infamous clients,50 minutes, 50 seconds
are there any that um stand out to you that you're particularly fond of and any that you regret um defending?50 minutes, 57 seconds
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, very much so.50 minutes, 59 seconds
Jeffrey Epstein. Obviously, I regret defending. I wish I had never met him. He was a terrible, terrible, evil man.51 minutes, 5 seconds
But, you know, even in that case, many of his um crimes are exaggerated. The vast majority of women who claimed to be51 minutes, 14 seconds
victims either came back over and over again to get the $250 to give them a massage or themselves became recruiters51 minutes, 22 seconds
of other people or never met Epstein and just made it up. There were real victims, too. Real real victims. people who are below the age. So I regret51 minutes, 30 seconds
having had any contact with him. I guess my favorite client was Natan Sheransky who was in a Soviet prison for being a51 minutes, 37 seconds
refusnic and I for 10 years represented in him pro bono. By the way, majority of my cases over my 60-year career have51 minutes, 45 seconds
been pro bono. Uh representing many women, many men who have no money um and uh people who have been subject to abuse51 minutes, 53 seconds
and who have no recognition. Yes, I've had um a few dozen high-profile famous cases and some in which I made a lot of52 minutes, 2 seconds
money, but many of them were pro bono and people who were obscure. But Sheransky, who went to prison for being52 minutes, 9 seconds
a refusnic, I helped get him out of prison, and that was uh my favorite client and my my biggest legal accomplishment.52 minutes, 17 seconds
And did he come here? he went to Israel and became u very active in Israeli um first politics and then he left politics52 minutes, 25 seconds
and just became a moral force. Uh he's a prominent intellectual uh in Israel today and I'm very proud to be to be his52 minutes, 34 seconds
friend. But I've also represented, you know, people on death row for free. I've represented women who have been victims uh for free. I represented my first case52 minutes, 43 seconds
was a woman who had her child taken away from her because she was a lesbian and uh the court ruled that a lesbian mother52 minutes, 51 seconds
was not qualified to be a mother child back and the child became a great student married a man and lives a good52 minutes, 58 seconds
life and uh uh so you know I'm very proud of the obscure cases as much as the famous victories you know of vanulo53 minutes, 6 seconds
and OJ Simpson yeah tell us tell us about co vanulo because it's intriguing um whether he53 minutes, 13 seconds
did it or not and it seemed a pretty open and shut case uh before you got involved and and then then it now seems a little murky. Do you think he did it?53 minutes, 23 seconds
Did he murder his wife Sunonny von Bulo the AIS?53 minutes, 27 seconds
I obviously can't comment on what I think. I I think there very well may not have been a crime at all. We know that53 minutes, 34 seconds
Sunonny von Bulo self- injected. We know that she self-medicated. We know that she had um hypoglycemia and used to eat53 minutes, 44 seconds
a lot of ice cream and sweets and uh we know that she was smoking in bed while after her first coma. So I don't think53 minutes, 51 seconds
anybody will ever know the true circumstances of that. Claus of course to the day he died categorically proclaimed his innocence and as his54 minutes
lawyer I had to um argue his innocence and we did successfully. He was acquitted by a Rhode Island jury after54 minutes, 8 seconds
only about an hour and a half of deliberation. So, the jury had no problem finding him innocent. Did you like him?54 minutes, 14 seconds
Yeah, I did. Um Um He was funny. Um you can't imagine two people who were more different. uh my daughter who went and54 minutes, 22 seconds
spent some time in England uh she's an professional actor and she spent time in Lambda the London Academy of Music54 minutes, 30 seconds
whatever it is and she spent some time with Cos Vanilo uh when she was there had dinner with him a couple of times and uh she liked him too so you know he54 minutes, 38 seconds
was a very charming man um I could never be a close friend of his we were two different um you know I didn't there54 minutes, 46 seconds
were many of my clients I didn't like and had no association with but he was one that I enjoyed being with.54 minutes, 53 seconds
And what about Jeffrey Epstein? What was he like? Was he creepy or charming?54 minutes, 58 seconds
No, he was not creepy at all. Uh my wife saw through him immediately. My wife and my sons both saw through him immediately. Thought he was a fake. Um I55 minutes, 6 seconds
didn't I you know he um was always conducting these academic seminars with famous people and for example he sat me55 minutes, 14 seconds
next to George Church, the man who decoded the genome. I had never even though we had been at Harvard together and I looked forward to these academic55 minutes, 22 seconds
sessions where I would meet prominent uh people one of the people who developed Microsoft and you know others. So you55 minutes, 29 seconds
know I enjoyed my time with him. I had no idea what he was doing. He lived a completely secret life uh which he kept55 minutes, 37 seconds
from everybody. Um and so it shocked me when I learned about it. But then I became his lawyer and u made the deal55 minutes, 45 seconds
that people call the sweetheart deal. He hated the deal. He thought I was a terrible lawyer. He told Woody Allen that I was the worst lawyer in the55 minutes, 52 seconds
world. He ref my legal fee really.55 minutes, 56 seconds
Finally, we settled the case, but not uh you know, we did not since he got out of prison, my relationship with him was um56 minutes, 4 seconds
very negative. Um and he hated me. And so I think it's a it's a it's a a sign56 minutes, 11 seconds
of pride uh that he hated me. I'm glad I was hated by Jeffrey Epstein. Well, the other person who was hated by Jeffrey Epstein, of course, was Donald Trump.56 minutes, 20 seconds
Uh, and yet that hasn't stopped uh Democrats and Trump haters to try and weaponize the whole Epstein56 minutes, 29 seconds
investigation and his very suspicious death. When I was defending Epstein, I said to him, "If you have any information on any prominent people,"56 minutes, 39 seconds
and I went through the list of prominent people, including Donald Trump, uh, if you could turn any of these people in, I56 minutes, 46 seconds
can help you get a better deal. And he categorically told me that he had nothing on Donald Trump at all, that Donald Trump had done nothing wrong56 minutes, 54 seconds
whatsoever. So, I am actually a witness to the fact that Jeffrey Epstein said that he had nothing. He only he had he57 minutes, 1 second
had something only one person. He said to me, "Don't worry about him. I have so much on him that he'll ever turn against me."57 minutes, 8 seconds
Wow. And is that someone who people talk about publicly as Yeah, but he's not a political figure.57 minutes, 16 seconds
He's just a a well-known person. Yeah.57 minutes, 19 seconds
Interesting. And do you think Epstein was uh I mean there are conspiracy theories, you know, wild, but I mean57 minutes, 27 seconds
maybe some of them are true. um that he was uh being run by uh an intelligence service either our own either the CIA or57 minutes, 36 seconds
foreign one MOSAD or I know for a categorical fact that isn't the case how do I know I asked them specifically I said if you had any57 minutes, 44 seconds
connection to any intelligence agencies I can get you a better deal and he said I had no connection what intelligence57 minutes, 51 seconds
agency would ever hire me or rely on me so and I confirm that with um the Mossad57 minutes, 58 seconds
Uh, so there's no truth to any Mossad connection. I don't believe there's any truth to any CIA connection. I'm I was ambivalent about his suicide, but now58 minutes, 7 seconds
I'm told that the New York Times uh has information that Jeffrey Epste may have left a suicide note before his first58 minutes, 15 seconds
attempt to commit suicide. I haven't seen the note, but I'd be interested in seeing that because I was I had some doubts about whether he had a motive to58 minutes, 23 seconds
commit suicide or not. Of course, he would never want to live the rest of his life in prison. He was a hiddenist.58 minutes, 30 seconds
Interesting. And do you think that he did was blackmailing people? That he did have a house full of cameras as we're told, yet the footage has gone missing?58 minutes, 40 seconds
No. If it existed.58 minutes, 42 seconds
Uh there was one camera and it was installed by the Palm Beach police. Uh what happened is somebody had stolen58 minutes, 48 seconds
money from him and a gun from him and he had the Palm Beach police install a camera near his desk and they actually58 minutes, 55 seconds
caught the guy. um and got him fired. I don't know whether he at the jail or not. I forget. But um I don't believe there were cameras. I hope there were59 minutes, 3 seconds
cameras in every single room. I would love to have been photographed because it would be the most boring thing, me and my wife room. Um but uh but I was59 minutes, 12 seconds
hoping there were p photographs or or or video cameras. I I don't think there were. I don't think he was blackmailing59 minutes, 19 seconds
uh people though. I think he was interested in collecting information about people and maybe he would have used it to defend himself, but I don't59 minutes, 28 seconds
think he ever affirmatively blackmailed people. Let's remember another thing too. He was not a pedophile. Uh I have59 minutes, 35 seconds
no information about any pedophiles in the Epstein circle. A pedophile medically is somebody who is interested59 minutes, 44 seconds
in prepubescent people. Prepubescent people 10, 11, 12. That was not his motus operande. He was interested in 1659 minutes, 52 seconds
year olds, 17, 18 year olds. That's a terrible thing. By the way, it's legal in France as legal any parts of Europe.59 minutes, 59 seconds
Um, so it's hard to say you're a pedophile in America, but not in France.1 hour, 3 seconds
Pedophile is not a legal term. It's a a medical psychological term. So I don't think there's a real case for people1 hour, 11 seconds
being called pedophiles, although everybody calls them a pedophile. I also don't believe there was any trafficking going on. And what happened is he made it known to young people in Palm Beach,1 hour, 23 seconds
if you come and give me a massage, you get $250. And many of them came back over and over and over again, collect the $250 and then got $500 if they1 hour, 32 seconds
recruited other people to come and give him more massages. And then there was this third category, a very large category of women who never met Jeffrey1 hour, 40 seconds
Epstein, never laid eyes on him, and their corrupt lawyers in Palm Beach would go to them and say, "How old are1 hour, 48 seconds
you? Oh, you were about that age when EP Yeah, why don't you just say you gave Epstein a massage? We'll collect $50,000 for you." And they did.1 hour, 57 seconds
Right. So, I would love to see a thorough investigation of every single claimed survivor and victim and find out1 hour, 1 minute, 6 seconds
how many there really were. There were plenty. There were plenty of 16 and 17 year olds. I know of at least one who1 hour, 1 minute, 14 seconds
genuinely were exploited. Those are the real victims. But if you're 25 and you came back over and over and over and over again for the $250, hard to call1 hour, 1 minute, 23 seconds
you a victim or a survivor. Although some of these people are on television.1 hour, 1 minute, 27 seconds
For example, the Farmer Sisters are on television lying, lying, lying. They say, "Oh, they told the FBI that they1 hour, 1 minute, 35 seconds
were abused by Epste." No, the FBI reports are clear. One of them told the FBI that Epstein had stolen pictures1 hour, 1 minute, 41 seconds
from her of her sister, and the FBI didn't investigate. Of course not. The FBI doesn't investigate stolen pictures,1 hour, 1 minute, 48 seconds
but as far as the records show, there were no claims that the Farmer Sisters ever claimed they were raped or abused by Epste. And yet, they're on CNN every1 hour, 1 minute, 57 seconds
other day making these claims without ever being corrected. And I would like to see the whole truth come out in Epste. It's a terrible truth. What he1 hour, 2 minutes, 5 seconds
did was terrible, but it's not nearly as bad as the way it's been portrayed by CNN, by the New York Times, and by the Democratic Party.1 hour, 2 minutes, 14 seconds
Is it just because they see it as a a weapon to use against Donald Trump?1 hour, 2 minutes, 18 seconds
Because Donald Trump knew him, as so did many people in New York at that time, Palm Beach.1 hour, 2 minutes, 24 seconds
The media is terrified to be called victim shamers.1 hour, 2 minutes, 28 seconds
And so anybody who says they're a victim or survivor uh gets to be treated as a victim or survivor. Nobody. Give you an1 hour, 2 minutes, 36 seconds
example. So they release the information um the records and one of the records says it has a blank name. It says1 hour, 2 minutes, 44 seconds
redacted name adult redacted name claims that she gave oral sex to uh Donald1 hour, 2 minutes, 52 seconds
Trump and that Donald and that she bit Donald Trump's penis. Okay, her name is redacted. She's an adult.1 hour, 3 minutes
She's accusing Donald Trump. It's a totally false story. Why don't we know her name? Why is she being investigated1 hour, 3 minutes, 8 seconds
for lying to federal officials? The same disclosure says blank blank bl like an1 hour, 3 minutes, 15 seconds
adult claims she gave a massage to Alan Dersuititz, not a sexual massage. A massage to Alan Dersuitz on Jeffrey1 hour, 3 minutes, 23 seconds
Epstein's airplane. I never got a massage from anybody on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane. She's lying. Yet my name is revealed. That's fine. But her1 hour, 3 minutes, 32 seconds
name is redacted and it says she's an adult. Why is she being protected? Why are perjurers, felons, liars names being1 hour, 3 minutes, 41 seconds
protected? That's why I want everything out there. I want every single name, not the children. If there are any people who are below the age of consent, fine,1 hour, 3 minutes, 50 seconds
keep their name secret. But anyone who's an adult and making an accusation, their name, under American law, every accused1 hour, 3 minutes, 59 seconds
person is entitled to confront their accuser. And Donald Trump can't confront his accuser when his accuser's name is1 hour, 4 minutes, 6 seconds
redacted. even though it's clear that the story is totally false. So, I want everything out.1 hour, 4 minutes, 12 seconds
Yeah. I mean, that's totally fair. And I know that you ended up having to threaten a lawsuit against someone and you got a complete exoneration.1 hour, 4 minutes, 20 seconds
So, she withdrew everything, but it cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars to1 hour, 4 minutes, 28 seconds
achieve that just result finally. And and the reputational damage. I was sitting in front of Lincoln Center with my wife the other night. We were just1 hour, 4 minutes, 37 seconds
coming from uh going to Symphony Hall and we're having a nice, you know, cup of coffee and this guy comes over to me and starts yelling at me pedophile,1 hour, 4 minutes, 46 seconds
pedophile, pedophile and you know, dirty Jew, pedophile, dirty Jew. And I got up and I started to clench my fists. I'm 87 years old. I was going to take him on.1 hour, 4 minutes, 57 seconds
Um my wife grabbed me and made me made me sit down. Uh and he ran away. Hey, he ran away from this 87y old man by1 hour, 5 minutes, 5 seconds
clenching his fists. So, uh, but you know, the reputational harm is still there. Even though I'm totally,1 hour, 5 minutes, 11 seconds
completely unequivocally innocent. Let me state without any unequivocal case that from the day I met Jeffrey Epstein, I have never touched in a sexual way,1 hour, 5 minutes, 20 seconds
kissed, been with, had sexual contact with any woman other than my wife.1 hour, 5 minutes, 25 seconds
Period. End of sentence. End of paragraph. End of book. That's the truth. I've said it under oath. And yet1 hour, 5 minutes, 32 seconds
people don't believe it because I'm somebody who knew Jeffrey Epstein. Yes,1 hour, 5 minutes, 37 seconds
I did. I Well, really, it's probably because you're somebody who defended Donald Trump and therefore any slur is fine.1 hour, 5 minutes, 46 seconds
After I defended Trump, suddenly people started accusing me of being all these terrible things. And New York, just to finish up, your,1 hour, 5 minutes, 55 seconds
you know, your hometown, um, Donald Trump's hometown, he's from Queens,1 hour, 6 minutes
you're from Brooklyn. Um, do do you think it will survive? Zora Mamani for those of us who haven't been around for so long.1 hour, 6 minutes, 8 seconds
I think so. I think Mambi is a one-term mayor. Uh, but who knows? Uh, it's certainly the worst for it. But it's not1 hour, 6 minutes, 16 seconds
only Malami, it's the upper west side of New York who's going to nominate for the Democratic seat in Congress a horrible anti-American, anti-Israel,1 hour, 6 minutes, 25 seconds
anti-decency person. And that's going happening in Brooklyn. It's happening all over. So, I worry about New York and1 hour, 6 minutes, 33 seconds
I worry about California. I worry about the United States. Uh I worry about Adam Schiff who started out as a decent uh congressman now has turned indecent and,1 hour, 6 minutes, 44 seconds
you know, voting all the wrong ways because he puts his finger to the wind and he sees how his constituents are are supporting what they're supporting. And1 hour, 6 minutes, 53 seconds
so, I'm very worried about the future of America. But, you know, as long as I have the energy, I'm going to fight for this decency and justice as I have for the last uh 60s something years.1 hour, 7 minutes, 4 seconds
So, last question. Uh actually, second last. Um if you put in your crystal ball, how do you see the midterms and the 2028 presidential election going?1 hour, 7 minutes, 14 seconds
Well, the midterms generally go to the opposing party. So, I think the Republicans will lose control of the Senate of the House and and I think it's1 hour, 7 minutes, 24 seconds
hard to predict the Senate. Uh I would I'm certainly hoping that they lose uh that the Republicans uh win Maine and1 hour, 7 minutes, 32 seconds
win Michigan, but I I can't predict the Senate presidency. We have no idea who's going to run. Um is there anyone decent in the Democrat field?1 hour, 7 minutes, 42 seconds
I can't see anyone so far. Um, I don't see anybody who's on the list who I would right now uh uh vote for or want to see in the in the presidency. Uh,1 hour, 7 minutes, 53 seconds
Rubio is terrific as a Republican. I like him very much and I would be very happy to see him as um as president and1 hour, 8 minutes, 1 second
there are other Republicans as well that I would prefer to see over the current slate of Democrats if you know if the Democrats come up with some magical1 hour, 8 minutes, 10 seconds
character. Let's remember that by this time in the election cycle, nobody had heard of Bill Clinton,1 hour, 8 minutes, 15 seconds
heard of Jimmy Carter, and um uh so you never know, the Democrats could come up1 hour, 8 minutes, 21 seconds
with uh with somebody um uh maybe uh and uh you know, governor of Kentucky, the1 hour, 8 minutes, 29 seconds
governor of Pennsylvania, there there are potential people who could who could run, but uh right now it looks like the Democrats will probably nominate1 hour, 8 minutes, 37 seconds
somebody from the Bernie Sanders wing of the party and I will campaign against them.1 hour, 8 minutes, 42 seconds
Do you think Joe Biden was a good president? I like Joe Biden. I've always liked him.1 hour, 8 minutes, 47 seconds
I've known him for years and years and years and years. Um I first met him through Ted Kennedy when he was a very young senator. I've always liked him. I1 hour, 8 minutes, 55 seconds
think he overstayed. Um and uh I I when he announced he was going to be a one-term president, I voted for him and1 hour, 9 minutes, 4 seconds
thought he'd be a very good one-term president. Um but um by the end of his term I think his age was catching up with him.1 hour, 9 minutes, 14 seconds
Yeah. And last question. Um I promise this is the last. Um the secrets of success. You've seen lots of successful1 hour, 9 minutes, 23 seconds
people in your life in your career. Lots of good people and bad people. What are the secrets of success and a happy life? I guess.1 hour, 9 minutes, 31 seconds
Well, first success and a happy life doesn't don't always go together. I've been very fortunate. I've had a wonderful wife, wonderful children, uh,1 hour, 9 minutes, 40 seconds
wonderful parents, and you know, I've had a other than other than it's like other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did1 hour, 9 minutes, 47 seconds
you enjoy the show other than losing my son Elon, which is more than other than my life has been pretty good. And I did1 hour, 9 minutes, 56 seconds
helped keep my son alive for many, many more years than the doctors had said he'd be alive. But that's a loss I'll never get over till the day I die. So1 hour, 10 minutes, 5 seconds
that's been a terrible, terrible disaster in my life. Uh but professionally,1 hour, 10 minutes, 11 seconds
uh you know, my life has been good. It's been filled with success. I've managed to never do anything for money but1 hour, 10 minutes, 18 seconds
accumulate some because I represented some people, but I've always lived my life uh on principle. And I think the1 hour, 10 minutes, 25 seconds
secret of success is to keep busy all the time and to strike an appropriate balance between um your work and your1 hour, 10 minutes, 32 seconds
and your personal life. And uh probably to put your personal life and your family first. But uh um I I'm writing1 hour, 10 minutes, 40 seconds
another book which I'm just about through but it won't be out for a year or so. It's called It Ain't Necessarily SC So uh My Guide to Life as a Skeptic1 hour, 10 minutes, 50 seconds
and skeptic about everything. And I'm skeptical about, you know, every aspect of life. And uh I think being a skeptic1 hour, 10 minutes, 59 seconds
and always having an open mind and always asking hard questions is probably a good attitude to have. Um sometimes I1 hour, 11 minutes, 8 seconds
envy I start the book with a conversation I had with Justice Scalia in Jerusalem uh right near where the crucifixion occurred. And I said to him,1 hour, 11 minutes, 18 seconds
Nino, you're one of the smartest people I know. Do you actually believe that Jesus arose from his crypt? Absolutely. He1 hour, 11 minutes, 27 seconds
said to to the depth of my soul. And he said, Allan, I pity you because you have trouble believing for you. Everything has to be proved and you're a skeptic.1 hour, 11 minutes, 37 seconds
And I'm lucky that I have belief. And he may be right. uh people with deep deep belief and lack of skepticism about uh1 hour, 11 minutes, 47 seconds
things like religion may be happier and better off but I have no choice. I was born a skeptic and I will die a skeptic.1 hour, 11 minutes, 54 seconds
So you don't believe in God?1 hour, 11 minutes, 56 seconds
I'm a skeptic. I mean you know if I get to heaven and there's God I'll say wow that's great. You don't I had some1 hour, 12 minutes, 3 seconds
doubts do you? you gave me a brain uh to doubt and I'm sure God would say no no as I told Thomas Jefferson back in uh in1 hour, 12 minutes, 12 seconds
the late uh 17th century um people ought to use their brain to doubt everything even God Jefferson wrote a letter to his1 hour, 12 minutes, 20 seconds
nephew doubt God but in the end come to whatever conclusions your brain brings you to so you know that's my attitude I1 hour, 12 minutes, 29 seconds
hope there's a God I hope there's a heaven and I hope that I deserve a place in it but I'm not counting on it I'm a skeptic.1 hour, 12 minutes, 35 seconds
Wonderful. Thank you so much, Professor D. Professor Durowitz.1 hour, 12 minutes, 39 seconds
I really enjoyed it. It was like a law school seminar having a conversation with you. Oh, thank you. I I really enjoyed it, too.1 hour, 12 minutes, 47 seconds
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