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Chapter 1: Opening
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somebody who has actually retrieved a UFO firsthand, a firsthand witness.18 seconds
The energy is just really good.20 seconds
It's perfect for How are you, dude?24 seconds
Not at all. A lot of sleep for either of us. We just You guys didn't sleep. I didn't sleep at all. No [ __ ] way. Why? I'm just pumped. [laughter]32 seconds
We have five people standing behind cameras right now and nobody knows why we're here. You didn't tell them? No. You didn't tell them? No. Not at all,39 seconds
bro.42 seconds
Okay, everybody. Can we have everybody here? I just want to let everybody know what we're here for. Start with just thank you. Everybody came in on a49 seconds
36-hour notice for the first time in all these years of doing interviews with [music] UFO related people. Today we're56 seconds
going to be talking to firsthand witness. So it's no longer the guy that talked to the guy. It is the guy himself. [music]1 minute, 5 seconds
Part of why I'm valuable is because I am like I'm at the fingertips of this thing and everyone we people have heard from a1 minute, 15 seconds
high like administrative leadership to tell information. Exactly.1 minute, 19 seconds
This is super dangerous for him right now. Right now we're in a limbo because the story is supposed to break out on on News Nation hopefully with this [music]1 minute, 27 seconds
week and every day that it doesn't uh go live there's more danger is life.1 minute, 34 seconds
So tell me about the moment when you realized that [music] you were involved in a retrieval of nonhuman1 minute, 43 seconds
technology. I was trained as a pilot a long time ago and [music] the last 20 years I've served more as a as a pilot than I have as a a ground crew member or in any other capacity.1 minute, 54 seconds
Good morning,1 minute, 56 seconds
Jake. Have you retrieved a nonhuman craft? Yes, I have.2 minutes, 2 seconds
For everyone that's getting exposed to this right now, humble yourself from the perspective of what you consider believable.2 minutes, 11 seconds
Can you describe the retrievalss end to end? What happens? Where are you?2 minutes, 18 seconds
I sit back at a separate location. I get GPS coordinates at the very last second.2 minutes, 24 seconds
I get dispatched. I go there and then in route from very short range out, maybe 5 minutes out, I get read a description of what it is I'm picking up.2 minutes, 37 seconds
It's so real when you look at it. It's not like in the background you're hearing and there's this light like this is an epic moment. Where's the crescendo2 minutes, 45 seconds
of it's like no there's just flying a helicopter come over ridge there's an egg sitting there and dude sitting around on the ground flashing you walk2 minutes, 52 seconds
calling you in it doesn't register as exciting you know in that format.3 minutes
I don't know. When I when I'm hearing the story, a big giant 20 foot egg, how do you know that's non-human intelligence?3 minutes, 7 seconds
Since we've left the program and reorganized and are now working with Arrol, I can make the egg show up and we3 minutes, 15 seconds
have and we've demonstrated it postprogram and we did it in August. Oh my god. In broad daylight.3 minutes, 25 seconds
At the moment, we elicited the egg. The egg flies by in dead silence, moving at 10,000 miles hour.3 minutes, 36 seconds
All right, one more. In the light.3 minutes, 39 seconds
You know, everyone likes to ask, why am I not afraid that someone's going to try and silence me with death?3 minutes, 45 seconds
There are people that have died who were coming out and who were speaking out on our activities. Anybody you know?3 minutes, 54 seconds
Yes.3 minutes, 55 seconds
Can he say anything more? No, cuz there's an investigation um happening right now.4 minutes, 3 seconds
I'm not afraid of the boogeyman. I am the boogeyman.4 minutes, 7 seconds
You don't want to show up at my house and think you're going to be successful with brute force because that's going to go [music] south for you really quickly.4 minutes, 18 seconds
It's got this cold military political stigma attached to it, but that's not it. It's not about like flying equipment4 minutes, 27 seconds
like oh let can we get in a flying saucer and like get to London in 2 minutes or could we get there yesterday because now we know China like screw all4 minutes, 35 seconds
that. The real implications are way more powerful.4 minutes, 39 seconds
It's realizing that there is something else out there that's maybe not extra at all. It's something that's part of us.4 minutes, 46 seconds
It's like outer space versus inner space is all the same.4 minutes, 52 seconds
[music]5 minutes, 9 seconds
What's up? What's up, [laughter] boogeyman? For thousands of years,5 minutes, 17 seconds
people have been seeing objects in the sky that they can't identify. For maybe the last 80 years, we've been speculating as to American government,Chapter 2: Jake's Introduction
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other government's involvement with UFOs.5 minutes, 30 seconds
And today, we have somebody who has actually retrieved a UFO firsthand, a firsthand5 minutes, 39 seconds
witness. And uh we have this amazing crew, by the way. We have Omar present.5 minutes, 44 seconds
We have Logan present. And we don't have, you know, we've gotten to know you a little bit over the last month, but we5 minutes, 52 seconds
don't have a ton of context as to what exactly you experienced. And so, we want to really get down to the basics5 minutes, 59 seconds
and maybe just start with who are you? Let's bring it all the way back to your childhoods.6 minutes, 4 seconds
Okay. Yeah. Well, man, I mean, first thing I should say is like like looking back to me, it's clear that uh the6 minutes, 13 seconds
intelligence community looks for kids like me. I had what you could probably call what I the four eyes, let's say,6 minutes, 21 seconds
imagination, intellect, intuition, and instincts. Uh my grandfathers were the6 minutes, 28 seconds
best men you could ever imagine. Um, I had uh, you know, we could call him Navy grandpa and army grandpa. Let's do that.6 minutes, 37 seconds
So, Navy grandpa was a very influential naval officer. He was actually a member of the Navy Seals predecessors, the6 minutes, 45 seconds
Scouts and Raiders. Um, he and my my other grandfather um, Army grandpa. Um6 minutes, 53 seconds
they laid the foundation to our fam literally put the cornerstone in took had their pictures taken in the 50s laying the cornerstone to our our family7 minutes, 1 second
church up until the point my parents divorced. I had a pretty good childhood but when stepfamilies entered the picture [snorts] um it's when things7 minutes, 11 seconds
became hell for me. Uh how did they become hell? Uh the environment in the step family at my7 minutes, 19 seconds
mom's house which is where I spent most of my time was abusive um physically abusive specifically because of your stepfather7 minutes, 26 seconds
stepfather and step-brother his son uh who is much older than me but uh what sort of abuse7 minutes, 35 seconds
I mean really all three if there if there are three like what like physically verbally and like uh low-key7 minutes, 43 seconds
sexually abusive like borderline sexually abusive too. And uh so I just I chose to like live outside basically.7 minutes, 52 seconds
And by the time I got in high school, my uh Navy grandpa had encouraged me to get into swimming and water polo. And um I8 minutes, 1 second
had also continued to do art and music and uh had entered a science contest and won a state science fair based on a project I had done.8 minutes, 11 seconds
What was the project? Um it's called color cords. Uhhuh.8 minutes, 14 seconds
And in my music class, I we had learned at a very rudimentary level this thing called the circles of fifths, which is8 minutes, 21 seconds
um a basically a pie chart where uh you can break down and learn the intervals8 minutes, 28 seconds
of harmonies. Basically, you got a root note from any root note, there's a what's called a perfect fifth, and that fifth rings a harmony, which um is8 minutes, 37 seconds
pleasant. There's also a third. And in a major chord, you have a first, a third,8 minutes, 42 seconds
and a and a fifth. In a minor chord, you have a first, a minor third, which is a half interval down, but you keep that8 minutes, 50 seconds
major fifth. And it it makes what people refer to as like a sad sound or a sad,8 minutes, 54 seconds
but they're both beautiful. It's more of a happy beautiful, and then like a deeper dramatic beautiful. So uh the understanding of harmony in the sound9 minutes, 3 seconds
world is when wavelengths overlap in a way that forms some form of geometry that is enhancing rather than degrading9 minutes, 11 seconds
to the independent waveforms you get something like harmony and your ear can pick that up and your emotions can react to it in a variety of ways. So, I'm9 minutes, 19 seconds
like, well, shoot, if photons make waveforms,9 minutes, 23 seconds
um, are there color combinations that can have that same complimentary um, interplay where when the colors9 minutes, 30 seconds
combine that they're pleasant? And could it be that they actually elicit the exact same emotions? It was really cool.9 minutes, 35 seconds
I I did well in our local area and I kept I went on to county and then I went on to the state and I got awarded with like 10 other kids an award at the state level for that project. Um,9 minutes, 47 seconds
well, you are, you talk about trauma being a part of what the intelligence community was looking for. Yeah. Let's get into the juicy stuff, which is the Air Force recruiting you.9 minutes, 57 seconds
Yeah.9 minutes, 57 seconds
Uh, how did they recruit you? How'd you get in touch? Um, so when I got expelled my senior year,10 minutes, 5 seconds
my grandfather pulled some strings and got me into another high school. uh my parents were involved in that process.Chapter 3: The Air Force Recruitment Journey
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But unbeknownst to my parents, I also had this secret intervention with my grandfathers. Both of them came together and they began exploring military10 minutes, 20 seconds
opportunities for me that like they just saw that that's what I needed. And for me, I was like, "Yeah, I want to jump out airplanes and kill bad people. Like10 minutes, 28 seconds
I'm all in just I want that job. I don't want to do like a desk job or cook." And so [clears throat] they set out, made phone calls, and you know, looking back,10 minutes, 37 seconds
I don't think they had any idea what they were getting me into. Um, I mean, I didn't either. I don't blame them. It's not like they were complicit or part of10 minutes, 45 seconds
some deep state and like put their grandson up for offering to the program.10 minutes, 51 seconds
It it wasn't like that. But, you know, I took some uh initial screening in our local area. And then we traveled down by UCLA and I went through a series of10 minutes, 59 seconds
tests over multiple visits like all your basic stuff. I mean physical stuff,11 minutes, 4 seconds
physiological, but then went into psychological um Wow.11 minutes, 10 seconds
Uh testing, creative testing. So I went down and the first time I had ever taken an IQ test. So you take it two times, at least twice, but two different ways,11 minutes, 19 seconds
I'll say. The first time I took it, I think it was just a straight up IQ test.11 minutes, 23 seconds
And I remember knowing exactly what I got cuz I was so interested to find out and it was like 138 and I was like, "Oh,11 minutes, 31 seconds
that kind of sucks." Like that's not very high. It's pretty high.11 minutes, 34 seconds
I'm like, "You're not supposed I'm supposed to be smarter than that." 100's average.11 minutes, 37 seconds
But then they do the second thing, which is a stress IQ test.11 minutes, 42 seconds
And so you take the same test, but I put on this oxygen mask that sealed my face with no air coming to it.11 minutes, 49 seconds
Whoa. And I took that test and I tested a 152. No way.11 minutes, 54 seconds
So you scored higher.11 minutes, 55 seconds
I scored way higher under stress. And that's when my concept for comfort and chaos began to form and I was like, "Oh,12 minutes, 3 seconds
like I'm a different person.12 minutes, 5 seconds
I'm like see things more clearly. Like I see the code or whatever." Like under stress. It's like things make more sense to me.12 minutes, 13 seconds
Anybody watching this is probably thinking this is a very unique recruiting process for the military.12 minutes, 18 seconds
This isn't like going online, submitting an application. What did you end up getting recruited for?12 minutes, 24 seconds
Yeah, so I ended up getting recruited to a brand new program that was called GTE,12 minutes, 31 seconds
which was a guaranteed training uh education program, I believe, is what the acronym was at the time. And for me,12 minutes, 38 seconds
this was a a 10-year contract that would fasttrack me through special operations training through the Department of the12 minutes, 47 seconds
Air Force, uh, through a career field at the time called combat control. It's still called combat control. And what's interesting for people to probably know,12 minutes, 54 seconds
which moving forward, keep this in the back of your mind, is that, you know,12 minutes, 58 seconds
the Air Force is this agency that straddled the blue black line, let's call it, uh, since its inception in13 minutes, 5 seconds
1947, like two weeks after Roswell incident, you get the National Security Act, you get the formation of the Air Force, CIA at the same time, Department13 minutes, 13 seconds
of Defense, and the Air Force has been that agency that straddled the blue black line ever since. And just to be clear for the audience, the blue black13 minutes, 21 seconds
line, the blue is the kind of uh open source white world out in the open black world is, you know, highly13 minutes, 29 seconds
cleared sensitive stuff. Is that is that right?13 minutes, 31 seconds
Yeah. I think the good way to think about it is the black world that we operate in is like a four-dimensional projection into13 minutes, 40 seconds
a three-dimensional world. It has its presence here and there's indications of it, but you're not going to get it because so much of what you're seeing is13 minutes, 48 seconds
tied and connected to other things through um through another dimension you're not paying attention to. And that's that's how this exists. That's13 minutes, 57 seconds
how we exist. And that's how we manipulate reality and truth and get away with things that people don't understand.14 minutes, 5 seconds
That is unbelievable. You sound like Carl Sean describing platonic describing an elite military unit.14 minutes, 12 seconds
Yeah. What I need to make very clear is um although I was prospected into combat control, I became something very different and that was simply my gateway14 minutes, 21 seconds
into the program. So I signed a contract for combat control in 1994 and uh shipped off to basic training in Texas.14 minutes, 30 seconds
After completing basic training at Lackland Air Force Base, Texas, I then was shipped out to a a place called Opel14 minutes, 38 seconds
rating location hotel which we called OH. And this was uh selection for Air Force Special Warfare Combat Control14 minutes, 46 seconds
Pares Rescue. And although I had been pre-screened and signed this crazy 10-year contract that guaranteed this 17-year-old kid two and a half years of14 minutes, 55 seconds
specialized training, which to understand how um incredible that is is traditionally, or I should say15 minutes, 3 seconds
historically for special warfare or special operations like militarywide,15 minutes, 8 seconds
you don't get into those programs without first being enlisted and then earning your selection and being recommended for special units. And then even once you're in those special units,15 minutes, 18 seconds
what specialized schools you go to is is not guaranteed and it happens over a period of time. So after I graduated15 minutes, 27 seconds
selection, uh which which is the initial phase of weeding out candidates, it's about a 4-week course at uh OH. Um, we15 minutes, 37 seconds
had a class of about 89 people I remember and nine of uh my original classmates graduated together from that class and then we shipped off to the toChapter 4: Entering Special Operations Training
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what we call the pipeline which is our our our tra our trade schools where we learn our craft. Um, somewhere early on15 minutes, 54 seconds
in the the pipeline I was approached by two individuals who convinced me that um it would be a good idea if I became an16 minutes, 3 seconds
airplane mechanic. And um can you say anything more about those two individuals?16 minutes, 10 seconds
Uh one of them was clearly gay. Um which was interesting because I quite enjoyed the talk. I thought it was fun.16 minutes, 20 seconds
Um and for some reason I've always been really compatible with gay men, much to their disappointment because I'm very16 minutes, 28 seconds
straight as narrow with my sexual orientation. But [snorts] so there's that. I can share that. And they had sold me on the idea. Deflection. [laughter] Yeah.16 minutes, 37 seconds
They um you know they sold me on this idea and ultimately what it was I knew I was doing something different and special. And you have to understand in the '9s the OP tempo was really low.16 minutes, 47 seconds
Yeah.16 minutes, 47 seconds
And everyone kind of knew like you you would go through your training but a lot of guys that once they made it to their teams were kind of like dude let's go let's go to war. And there16 minutes, 55 seconds
was no war. And so a lot of people were getting out tired of just training.16 minutes, 59 seconds
Yeah. And what was kind of sold to this young crazy kid, Jacob Barber, was that you're gonna get to do things others17 minutes, 7 seconds
aren't going to get to do. There is a lot going on that we'd like to use you for, but you first have to go do this thing for us, and that is learning how17 minutes, 14 seconds
to be an airplane mechanic. So, I'm like, okay. I then shipped off to airplane mechanic school. Upon completing that, I reported directly to Pope Air Force Base in North Carolina.17 minutes, 26 seconds
Um, when I was there, you know, I spent a lot of time turning wrenches on the on the flight line as a mechanic, but17 minutes, 33 seconds
outside of that, I spent all my time training.17 minutes, 36 seconds
Was that a hazing ritual or would that come in handy with what you were ultimately like like just learning to become an airplane mechanic?17 minutes, 44 seconds
No, it was my cover. Okay.17 minutes, 45 seconds
So, my cover was working as an airplane mechanic. Uh, I came in during the Clinton era and that's no coincidence.17 minutes, 54 seconds
that had a lot to do with this program and what I became come to find out. Um,17 minutes, 59 seconds
I spent a lot of time deploying on those type of missions in support of President Clinton. I can explain I can go into detail there a little bit. I was18 minutes, 8 seconds
involved in Bosnia. I deployed to Bosnia. Um, I was involved in the liberation of Kuwait. Had a lot of combat time, but ultimately what I was18 minutes, 17 seconds
being refined for was a redteamer. Um, I became a red team expert. Red team you could think of is an opposition force.18 minutes, 26 seconds
In fact, that's that's exactly what we call it is OP four or opposition force.18 minutes, 31 seconds
And uh red team's job in any scenario is to exploit all the weaknesses of blue18 minutes, 38 seconds
team and find the vulnerabilities and then use those against blue team. Um so in an exercise we would participate18 minutes, 46 seconds
where the military's blue forces or or traditional forces would deploy their tactics and then we would be set out to18 minutes, 54 seconds
play the opponent or the enemy and we're given liberty, boundless liberty on how to just go and [ __ ] up their life. Like19 minutes, 3 seconds
try and make their life hell. You get to be creative, think outside the box,19 minutes, 7 seconds
innovate ways and find holes in our systems. So we'd go out and it was a lot of fun and we'd find ways to completely disrupt the standard operating19 minutes, 15 seconds
procedures of units and then in exercises um that were global and dealt19 minutes, 22 seconds
very closely with other subject matter related to UAP were involved with those and had to come up19 minutes, 29 seconds
with innovative ways to um to be adversarial towards our own forces. And19 minutes, 36 seconds
I I found out that like my four eyes that I explained earlier were tools of war. And you know, anyone that's read19 minutes, 46 seconds
the art of war, you know what's the first rule in the art of war? Do you know? Yeah. What is the first rule? Deception. Deception.19 minutes, 54 seconds
Deception is the first rule in the art of war is to deceive and to always act like something you're not.20 minutes
Now I think about it. That's probably alarming coming from me right now. How do we know? That guy is full of [ __ ]20 minutes, 6 seconds
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How do we know you're not red teaming us right now?20 minutes, 9 seconds
Well, you don't you don't know that. I'm You really don't. That was an honest answer.20 minutes, 14 seconds
Yeah. You don't know that. So I And all I can do I expect to get asked that a lot is like, you know, I'll paraphrase a20 minutes, 22 seconds
book from Matthew. I think it is like you will know me by my fruits.20 minutes, 27 seconds
And so just pay attention to what's happened and you can evaluate the impact of what I'm doing. Yeah. and and that's all you can do.Chapter 5: Deception in Military Training
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Well, that's an amazing message for the audience, too, which is they should corroborate the things that you're saying through their own open source research. Yeah.20 minutes, 42 seconds
And if it if it validates and checks,20 minutes, 44 seconds
they should they should think for themselves and not just, you know, take all of us for our word. No, willy-nilly.20 minutes, 50 seconds
You mentioned other things being sort of adjacent to UFO or UAP retrievalss. What were the other things you were doing as part of this group? Um while while20 minutes, 59 seconds
enlisted I did a lot of security and escort of HVTs which are called hidev value targets. So I held a NATO top21 minutes, 8 seconds
secret security clearance um at times when I needed to and was manifested to classified flights where we would be21 minutes, 16 seconds
dispatched. We would secure targets and transport those targets and deliver them to other places and then hand them off21 minutes, 23 seconds
to other teams. Um, these targets most of the time were like sealed containers.21 minutes, 28 seconds
Um, we called them mystery boxes. I couldn't tell you what was inside. Um,21 minutes, 33 seconds
it could be a variety of things. There was a variety of sizes. Something, you know, small enough that could fit on a helicopter, something large enough that it had to be put on a C5 Galaxy. Uh,21 minutes, 43 seconds
sometimes it had to be trucked. Sometime it had to be taken in pieces, but it was always put in the little mystery boxes. Um,21 minutes, 51 seconds
one one thing that should be noted is that one of these missions I was involved in,21 minutes, 57 seconds
I got very sick afterwards and um, lost every hair on my body. Skin peeled off22 minutes, 6 seconds
my arms. I was nauseous. Um, and I was it was obvious in hindsight that I was22 minutes, 14 seconds
exposed most likely to some form of radiation. Um, and this really upsets some people when I tell this story,22 minutes, 22 seconds
especially friends like uh Dr. Gary Nolan, who's who helps me with with this issue now. Um, but22 minutes, 29 seconds
real quick, just for the audience, Gary Nolan is a Stanford microbiologist. Yeah.22 minutes, 33 seconds
He's a Nobel nominee every year. He's tenured there and he's incredibly interested in the UFO subject. Yes.22 minutes, 39 seconds
In fact, he claims to have, and I've seen them actually, crash retrieval parts. Yeah. from his friend who's a longtime kind of the godfather of UFO22 minutes, 48 seconds
research, a guy named Jacqu Malay. And Gary does mass spectrometry on them, but he also was approached by the CIA in I22 minutes, 55 seconds
think 2016ish uh around people who have uh encountered UAP, NHI,23 minutes, 3 seconds
and the biological effects that they've incurred.23 minutes, 6 seconds
And that's that's the nature of my relationship with Gary. So, Dr. I don't know. Uh yeah, I I now I'm still23 minutes, 16 seconds
suffering from that experience most likely and subsequent experiences and but it's only now that I'm getting23 minutes, 22 seconds
proper care because of how I want to say this because I don't want to make the Air Force out to be this23 minutes, 31 seconds
evil irresponsible entity because as much as they are, they also aren't. In this one circumstance, I don't believe they knew what we were dealing with.23 minutes, 39 seconds
This is why I think that one incident and looking back with 2020 vision hindsight, you know, it's likely that23 minutes, 47 seconds
was also related to the UAP topic because had we known what was in that box, we would have there would we have a23 minutes, 55 seconds
protocol for dealing with nuclear hazmat and and none of that was in place and I still got exposed. So I think something24 minutes, 3 seconds
in that box that Were you carrying the box?24 minutes, 6 seconds
No, we don't carry. It's too heavy. It's It's loaded on the craft. We escort it. So, you escorted it.24 minutes, 12 seconds
We escorted it and we protect it with the authority to use deadly force and it was emitting that much radiological energy.24 minutes, 19 seconds
I think it got turned on at some point, which is another interesting thing.24 minutes, 23 seconds
Like, how did it come on while we were in air? Like, it turned on or turned off or there was some level of fallout. I really don't know. Um,Chapter 6: Health Issues
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what makes you think that it was a UAP or a UFO and not like an electromagnetic pulse like some of these exotic weaponry that emit radiological energy?24 minutes, 41 seconds
Yeah. Well, EMPs are different. A lot of the HPMs are safe to be around. Um, you're not24 minutes, 48 seconds
you're not going to get high doses of gamma radiation by exposing yourself to an EMP. But um I would just say let's24 minutes, 58 seconds
not get too much into this night and this mission without getting into trouble. But I'll just tell you that the25 minutes, 5 seconds
I don't blame the Air Force or anyone for how that was handled except with the exception of the fact of seeking medical25 minutes, 12 seconds
treatment afterwards. I couldn't talk about what had happened. So therefore the causation was really difficult for doctors to to like to come up with.25 minutes, 21 seconds
There was there was symptomology without causation and I was treated for things that weren't necessarily consistent with25 minutes, 30 seconds
radiation poisoning and I healed up from it. Um what were all the symptoms that you experienced?25 minutes, 35 seconds
So like I end now I mean I have a heart murmur that I never had before. Wow.25 minutes, 40 seconds
Okay. So my heart's messed up. Uh again I lost all the hair on my body. I look like just a albino lizard dude. like no pubic hair, no eyebrows, no nose hair,25 minutes, 50 seconds
which I wish was still the case, but25 minutes, 52 seconds
[laughter]25 minutes, 52 seconds
whatever. The one benefit.25 minutes, 54 seconds
Yeah, the one benefit. No ear hair, no nose hair.25 minutes, 57 seconds
Um, I had rashes. Uh, my immune system seems compromised in some way. I can't explain. I I just have random26 minutes, 5 seconds
uh autoimmune disorders. Um, and so this this is where Gary has come in handy is that he's reviewed my medical records26 minutes, 13 seconds
and we're trying to make sense of 20 years of things that have happened and how it how more so like, you know,26 minutes, 21 seconds
forget the past, like moving forward. My concern is that there's some, you know,26 minutes, 26 seconds
hidden gremlin that's going to show up later in life and we're going to be way behind on how to deal with, you know,26 minutes, 31 seconds
cancer or whatever. I hate to throw that term around, but knock on wood, man.26 minutes, 35 seconds
Yeah. So, um, but so that incident, just to get back to the subject,26 minutes, 40 seconds
can I can I ask you one more question about what happened? When Gary took a look at your, you know,26 minutes, 47 seconds
physical chart and the symptoms, did he say they accorded with other UFO experiencers? Yeah, he did.26 minutes, 55 seconds
Specifically, what's the guy from Rendlessham Forest in 1980? Uh, John Burroughs.27 minutes
John Burroughs and Jim Penniston. John Burrows had had similar symptoms that I did and had similar issues with his VA records as I did.27 minutes, 9 seconds
So he also had scarring in his dorsal striatum. He had scarring in his codate nucleus impetamin. Yeah. Did you have that as well?27 minutes, 18 seconds
I haven't I still have to get my comprehensive MRIs. Like I haven't had a brain MRI that's revealed that.27 minutes, 24 seconds
But I but I do know he had a heart issue.27 minutes, 26 seconds
Yeah. We have the same heart issue. Oh wow. That didn't exist before in either of us. That was the one thing that Gary27 minutes, 32 seconds
shared and it was you know similar similar situation with the records but and for for context for for people the27 minutes, 41 seconds
Rendlessham Forest incident was I think 1980. Yeah.27 minutes, 44 seconds
Right. It was a Safulk Royal Air Force Bentwaters and it was you had Jim Penniston Burroughs all these guys who were they saw this like blight in the forest.27 minutes, 55 seconds
Is that right? Dude, that one incident,Chapter 7: Bentwaters Incident
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this is we were talking earlier about how things get lost over time in this environment, how keyed up we are right now for proof and there's a lot of28 minutes, 7 seconds
attention on this. If that incident, if Bentwaters happened today or tomorrow case would be closed. Like that single28 minutes, 14 seconds
incident has all the proof and evidence that you need that this thing is real from a public perspective, from a firsthand witness, from a government response and cover up. Like, it's there.28 minutes, 24 seconds
It's closed book. Lord Norton, who is the um head of the naval fleet for for the entire UK. Yeah.28 minutes, 31 seconds
Saying that this, you know, was a was a thing. This this happened and it simply isn't any good. Ministers and the Ministry of Defense in28 minutes, 40 seconds
particular saying that nothing that took place that December night in Suffukk is of defense interest. It simply isn't true.28 minutes, 48 seconds
And you had uh uh Colonel Charles Halt as well do do an investigation afterwards and everything checked.28 minutes, 54 seconds
No. OSI shows up in plane. HVT escort teams show up, haul everything away.28 minutes, 59 seconds
People are sworn to secrecy. People are are drugged during interrogation, post uh interrogation of the I mean they're they're given truth serum.29 minutes, 9 seconds
They're given sodium pentathol so that they basically give like a an extremely explicit readout of what actually occurred. And that itself didn't take29 minutes, 17 seconds
place in a vacuum. You have a great book called UFOs and nukes by a guy named Robert Hastings. Hastings. Yeah.29 minutes, 23 seconds
167 ICBM security personnel, radar operators, uh, guys that work at these nuclear bases across the United States29 minutes, 32 seconds
and in some cases they're joint nuclear bases in in the UK and other places. And they all experience these things,29 minutes, 39 seconds
these these orbs, discs, plasma balls, crazy sorts of things. In certain cases, they claim to have boarded crafts. Um,29 minutes, 46 seconds
yeah. If if anybody if anybody out there wants a good starting point, if to to take an on-ramp into this subject29 minutes, 55 seconds
matter. I recommend going to the what was called the citizens hearings in 2013. It's on YouTube.30 minutes, 3 seconds
It's a it's a full week of what's essentially a mock congressional hearing where they brought in there's over 2030 minutes, 10 seconds
hours of testimony over 5 days. Um at that time everyone from academia,30 minutes, 16 seconds
government, military, enthusiasts, all all those areas that have expertise and experiences documented and they come and30 minutes, 25 seconds
they testify in a very professional formal setting uh before I think uh former and current30 minutes, 34 seconds
congressional members and they lay it all out. It's the whole history and um Bentwaters incident is covered in there.30 minutes, 41 seconds
Something about that is irritating because it's like, okay, where are all the whistleblowers? Let's wait until they come out. Like, no, they've come30 minutes, 49 seconds
out. They have come out. Like, take the time if if you want to form a vehement argument that's anti-30 minutes, 56 seconds
whatever this subject is.30 minutes, 58 seconds
Put in the work to go look like like Ross's book, In Plain Sight. There's so much that's already in plain sight. It's already happened.31 minutes, 4 seconds
It's in plain sight. Jake, have you retrieved a nonhuman craft? Yes, I have. Okay, let's get into that. All right,31 minutes, 12 seconds
what's the story behind that? Um, man, so here we go. So, after 911, uh, [laughter]31 minutes, 21 seconds
I went back to California and I began,31 minutes, 24 seconds
uh, going to work on the next chapter of my life, which is working as a contractor for the broader intelligenceChapter 8: UFO Crash Retrievals
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uh, community. And so, uh, everyone else after 9/11 was looking east with vengeance and the special operations31 minutes, 40 seconds
community went crazy, which kind of served as like the perfect distraction for me in my work because nobody was looking domestically. Nobody was looking31 minutes, 47 seconds
out west and we continued to do our work out here. And I I quite literally took a left turn at Albuquerque to quote Bugs Bunny.31 minutes, 56 seconds
I knew I should have taken that left turn at Albuquerque. and uh32 minutes, 2 seconds
worked on uh we had a a cover contract through the BIA, which is the Bureau of Indian Affairs at a sovereign nation32 minutes, 11 seconds
close to White Sands uh missile range in New Mexico.32 minutes, 17 seconds
And um and and lest the audience be skeptical of this left turn into you know uh32 minutes, 25 seconds
Indian reservations, there's actually a long history of the American intelligence community's activity on Indian reservations.32 minutes, 32 seconds
You actually you could watch a really popular Netflix show right now called The Octopus Murders. Okay, which involves all sorts of activity with32 minutes, 39 seconds
Wacken Hut, you know, private security contractor on Native American lands. And it's it's a somewhat common thing. So well, it's a good place to go if uh you32 minutes, 48 seconds
know there's a lot of security and ambiguity there from a structure standpoint. And something important to understand is that the legitimacy is the32 minutes, 57 seconds
best cover. This is something we say all the time. So if I'm if I'm going to put my public face or my my structured33 minutes, 6 seconds
face or my three-dimensional identity out there, it's got to be a legitimate work. And I spend most of my time doing33 minutes, 14 seconds
that. So um I specialize in security and transportation mostly in uh aeronautical operations33 minutes, 22 seconds
even more specifically helicopters. I'm basically a helicopter operations expert and security expert. So, uh, I stood up33 minutes, 30 seconds
and got involved with, um, helicopter operating companies and held many contracts with the DoD, Department of33 minutes, 38 seconds
Interior, um, State Department and other other local uh, agencies as well. And through that work, we basically,33 minutes, 49 seconds
although the majority of our time was spent doing the day-to-day work and keeping that business up and going, our real purpose was to make ourselves33 minutes, 57 seconds
available for the call, let's say, or the calls that would come in. And we would be put to work on pro on missions34 minutes, 6 seconds
for the program. And because of my experience working as a red team member and already having the clearances and34 minutes, 13 seconds
already having proved myself, I don't know how to say it other than, you know,34 minutes, 17 seconds
certain individuals were passing my business card around and it's a lot of work maintaining aptitude and currency and a variety of skills and legitimate34 minutes, 27 seconds
civilian licenses and things and credentials.34 minutes, 30 seconds
What's your title at this point? Like do you have a title? Are you a full kind of ghost? I mean, I'm I'm a I'm a lot of things like, so I don't know how to34 minutes, 39 seconds
answer that. Like I mean I mean at this point with you know, take a left turn to Albuquerque. Yeah. Dealing with the Department of Interior. What's your job title at that?34 minutes, 47 seconds
Uh director of operations for a helicopter company. Wow. Yeah. Crazy. [laughter] Yeah. Interesting.34 minutes, 55 seconds
Yeah. So I'm director of operations for a helicopter company. Um,35 minutes
I'm program director for Gracie Jiujitsu NorCal. I'm uh I'm a flight instructor for law35 minutes, 9 seconds
enforcement for airborne law enforcement agency. Um, I hold a lot of titles. I'm also I'm the president of a corporation35 minutes, 19 seconds
that has uh manufactures wheelchair patented wheelchair parts for the veterans hospital. I service35 minutes, 27 seconds
um fitness centers on a number of key military bases that if I named them, they'd make a lot of sense to you. So,35 minutes, 34 seconds
I'm a lot of different things. Yeah. You're like an Uber driver in LA, but way more badass.35 minutes, 39 seconds
I like think I'm more badass than an Uber driver at this point. [laughter]35 minutes, 43 seconds
There are some badass Uber drivers. I don't know. The the most insane multihyenate ever.35 minutes, 47 seconds
But at this so at this point having all these different potential covers is what's actually serving you in what you're doing because you could you could35 minutes, 56 seconds
be a flight instructor at this company or you could be just like directing operations for some transportation.36 minutes, 1 second
Can you say anything about the companies that you worked for in the context of these UFO crash retrievals?36 minutes, 8 seconds
Um look man, if you took two guesses,36 minutes, 12 seconds
you'd get both of them right on the first try. There you go. Okay. [laughter]36 minutes, 17 seconds
[gasps] At the end of the day, like I'm just a security and transportation guy,36 minutes, 20 seconds
especially when it gets to the UAP subject. It's like we did a lot of helicopter work and law enforcement and36 minutes, 28 seconds
security work. It's not like the like like we understand the idea of a paramedic sitting over here uh in an ambulance waiting for a call who36 minutes, 35 seconds
specializes in emergency medical response. It's like we're not sitting there as a crash recovery team with our little CR patch on our chest and our36 minutes, 43 seconds
little alien like uh dice hanging from the rearview mirror of the helicopter.36 minutes, 47 seconds
We're ready to roll when the alien phone rings. Crash. No, it's like we're doing other [ __ ] and like we're going to go out and we do a lot of recovery. It's36 minutes, 55 seconds
not just exotic craft. We recover all kinds of things.37 minutes, 14 seconds
When a call would come in, typically it meant we were going out to what I call the range, which is in the desert of California, and we would be there to37 minutes, 22 seconds
support from a a security and transportation standpoint the operations out there. Uh the range was a giant37 minutes, 30 seconds
playground for Department of Defense and its private aerospace partners for testing weapons technology, radar37 minutes, 37 seconds
technology, uh craft, experimental craft and that craft's resilience to radar and37 minutes, 44 seconds
weapons technology and vice versa. Um it was during this work uh when uh um I can37 minutes, 51 seconds
talk I'm here to talk about two different experiences with exotic craft that was non-human in origin. Um, and it37 minutes, 58 seconds
was during some of this time out on the range when I had these experiences.38 minutes, 3 seconds
First experience I'm going to talk about is when we recovered an egg. And we just call it the egg cuz that's what it was.38 minutes, 10 seconds
It's like a giant white egg. Um, the night that this happened, we weren't expecting an egg. I wasn't briefed on an egg. Uh,38 minutes, 20 seconds
when this happened, it was a surprise to everyone. I can tell you within uh not only my leadership structure, which is most concerning when they're surprised,Chapter 9: The Egg Recovery Experience
38 minutes, 30 seconds
but also everyone around me on my team.38 minutes, 32 seconds
Um when this happened, we had to go we we uh altered our communication protocol.38 minutes, 40 seconds
We altered our security protocol and it was obvious to everyone that what we were dealing with was something extraordinary. Um my job that night was38 minutes, 49 seconds
as a helicopter pilot. I was not on the ground. I was called in to uh transport that egg via external load, what we call38 minutes, 59 seconds
external load or through a long line which is 150 ft, sometimes 200t long line that hangs below the helicopter. It39 minutes, 8 seconds
has a remote hook on it. That remote hook can be attached to hardware that secures the load and then we fly that39 minutes, 14 seconds
load away to a drop point and from there it goes wherever it's going to go on a secured transport. Did you see this egg?39 minutes, 22 seconds
I saw it. Absolutely. What did it look like? Um it's probably 20 feet plus or minus I don't know uh 10% from my point of view.39 minutes, 33 seconds
You know I was 150 ft from it. Had 150t long line that night. hovered right over it, hooked up to it. It looked like a39 minutes, 41 seconds
giant 20 feet longitudinally.39 minutes, 43 seconds
Yeah, 20 feet longitudinally, spherical with a little bit of an asymmetrical three-dimensional rounding shape to it.39 minutes, 51 seconds
It's like a pearly white, like uh I don't know if it was wet or moist, but it it wasn't like flat white. It was39 minutes, 58 seconds
like pearly white. Granted, this is at at night at this point. It was uh after civil twilight, so it's dark. Um, I'm40 minutes, 7 seconds
flying under NVGs, but there was enough uh lunar illumination that I could see it with the naked eye. What's an NVG?40 minutes, 14 seconds
Uh, night vision goggle.40 minutes, 16 seconds
So, it's an enhanced omni electronic uh system that uh takes in account IR light, but you could see it outside.40 minutes, 24 seconds
I could see it. I could flip my goggles up and see it and flip my goggles down and see it. It was secured with nets. Basically,40 minutes, 34 seconds
it was secured with nets. nets and somebody wrapped nets around it.40 minutes, 38 seconds
Somebody on your team or Yeah, someone on the ground team.40 minutes, 41 seconds
Wow. And did they sort of touch the craft while they were wrapping nets? The team there must have touched it. Yeah.40 minutes, 49 seconds
And did they experience any effects? Did they see? Not that I know of. I didn't talk much.40 minutes, 54 seconds
It was compartmentalization on steroids that night. So, uh, we didn't I didn't debrief with the ground crew much.41 minutes, 2 seconds
There's a few guys on the ground crew.41 minutes, 4 seconds
we've talked to since um but a lot of the details of everyone's experience,41 minutes, 12 seconds
you know, weren't shared necessarily. Any other core details about the craft? The weight, any symbology on it?41 minutes, 19 seconds
No. I mean, it was smooth, seamless, no symbology. Uh I could tell you it was less than 5,000 pounds because that was41 minutes, 26 seconds
the capacity of my helicopter at that time.41 minutes, 31 seconds
Um, I don't remember exactly what it weighed. You know, when I when we fly in to to recover a load or to pick any we41 minutes, 39 seconds
use the term pick, which is I'm going to connect and haul something off, no matter what it is, I I get a briefing on the way in as to uh what my load is41 minutes, 48 seconds
going to be. I get disclosed its approximate weight um dimensions and then I get a hazmat disclosure as to whether or not there's any hazmat on41 minutes, 56 seconds
board or if there are any souls on board which is life forms. Um that night there was no disclosure for hazmat or souls on42 minutes, 4 seconds
board or what we call sobs, souls on board and it was just an object and um42 minutes, 13 seconds
yeah took it uh to a drop point which was about 15 miles away and um set it42 minutes, 22 seconds
down very carefully and it was hauled off somewhere and that was the end of it. Why do you think it landed on a42 minutes, 30 seconds
human flight testing range? I could see a skeptic in the audience saying, "Oh,42 minutes, 34 seconds
awfully convenient." Yeah. That you're landing right next to wherever you guys are operating.42 minutes, 39 seconds
Yeah. Well, it wasn't X. It actually went off the range, which was added to part of our challenge. And I can't tell you where it landed, but it was tracked42 minutes, 46 seconds
and intercepted over the range. And by the time it finally interfaced with the ground, it was off the playground,42 minutes, 54 seconds
which complicated our recovery.42 minutes, 57 seconds
Would another possible answer to that be that UAPs are attracted to sensitive military sites?43 minutes, 3 seconds
We know exactly what they're attracted to and we um we intentionally attract them.43 minutes, 14 seconds
And I when I say we, uh anyone that's out playing around with this kind of stuff knows that there are things that43 minutes, 22 seconds
they are attracted to. Uh whether or not that was intentional,43 minutes, 26 seconds
that was the the primary objective that night, I don't know. I can tell you that that night there was another team43 minutes, 33 seconds
present that I know of that uh deals with the summoning component of data43 minutes, 40 seconds
collection. And uh that team's intention usually is or known to be associated43 minutes, 46 seconds
with uh summoning or getting a UAP or nonhuman craft to show up. Question from the audience.43 minutes, 54 seconds
Yeah. [laughter] Okay. Uh,43 minutes, 58 seconds
was the egg sitting upright when you pulled up on it? Oh, it was flat. Yeah, horizontal.44 minutes, 5 seconds
Did it appear like it crashed or did it land in It didn't look messed up to me and there was no disturbed earth around it. It's not like it toepicked in or like, you44 minutes, 14 seconds
know, dug in. Yeah. I I guess just like I don't know when I when I'm hearing the44 minutes, 22 seconds
story a big giant 20 foot egg, how do you know that's non-human intelligence?44 minutes, 27 seconds
Okay, that's a great question. So, I'm I've got um I've got three different44 minutes, 34 seconds
reasons or criteria for for determining that it was in HI. one44 minutes, 42 seconds
relying on myself as a expert of not only what flies around in our skies, but44 minutes, 49 seconds
even at the extreme of advanced technologies and capabilities within the US government at the highest level in private industry and seeing those things44 minutes, 58 seconds
fly around and operate at the range all the time. Um, this is why it was kind of a process for me up until very shortly45 minutes, 6 seconds
after the egg because still the night of the egg it's just like you get called in, everyone's a little nervous, but it's so real when you look at it. It's45 minutes, 14 seconds
like it's not like in the in the background you're hearing and there's this light from heaven like you grew up on movies. It's like this is an epic45 minutes, 21 seconds
moment. Where's the crescendo of? It's like no, there's just flying a helicopter come over ridge and there's an egg sitting there and dudes sitting around on the ground flashing you walk45 minutes, 30 seconds
calling you in while you're flying your hook. I'm like, where's like the where's all the intensity? It's like it's so45 minutes, 37 seconds
blatant and in your face and so real, it can almost it doesn't register as exciting, you know, in that format. Now,45 minutes, 46 seconds
I'm sure the experience of running into an alien in your bedroom is not that way, but I've never had that experience, so I don't know. But, um,45 minutes, 56 seconds
what I'm getting at is, you know, for me, it was a process up to there because so many things we see in the sky out at46 minutes, 2 seconds
the range are fantastical. It's like you see things change shape, change color,46 minutes, 9 seconds
come in to sight, go out of sight,46 minutes, 12 seconds
travel at extreme speeds, appear to go and come from the earth or the mountain46 minutes, 19 seconds
or a ridge. Um, and you just assume most of the time that what you're seeing is our own advanced tech or cloaking46 minutes, 26 seconds
systems or projections or uh light artifacts of weapon systems. Um, and then you've just got from, you know,46 minutes, 33 seconds
just from being outside at night in the desert, which I could invite anyone to go spend some time out night just looking up with your dumb human eyeballs46 minutes, 42 seconds
and you're going to see some weird stuff. So, I we've seen a lot of stuff and that night number one, it was not expected. So, if it was human, um, there46 minutes, 50 seconds
would have been a much different response to it. Um there would have been some expectation that what we were46 minutes, 57 seconds
working that on that night may have may have not responded well to the radar that was being thrown at it and we would have expected a crash and it's like okay47 minutes, 6 seconds
we would have been trained on how to deal with that. No one was trained on how to deal with that and everybody acted really weird. So then there's that localized response that was anomalous.47 minutes, 16 seconds
Um, and if there's any human on earth that's going to know what that is and how to deal with it, it would have been me and my team. And we didn't know. There's no one else that like, "Oh [ __ ]47 minutes, 25 seconds
I need to call in the specialized team.47 minutes, 26 seconds
Look behind me. I see a picture of myself." Like, that's it. Okay. So, like, I'm the guy. Subsequent to that,47 minutes, 35 seconds
it was also confirmed to me by ranking members of the UAP task force that that is exactly what we ran into that night,47 minutes, 42 seconds
that that was NHI. and they they told me bluntly that yes, that is a nonhuman47 minutes, 49 seconds
anomalous craft. Um, the last or the third reason reasoning I'll give you is47 minutes, 55 seconds
that since we've left the program and reorganized and are now working with Arrol, I can make the egg show up and we48 minutes, 4 seconds
have and we've demonstrated it postprogram and we did it in August. Oh my god. In broad daylight. Really? So, so you can summon the egg?48 minutes, 13 seconds
Yes, we can summon the egg. That is absurd.48 minutes, 17 seconds
It It seems absurd, but we've tracked it in broad daylight. The egg uh moving at 10,000 mph, so based on range.48 minutes, 27 seconds
Um and it comes when we've at a precise timing when we've asked for. We're doing demonstrations for the new director of48 minutes, 34 seconds
Arrow. They're fully privy. They've seen our videos. They've seen our data, our report. An arrow is the all domain anomaly resolution48 minutes, 42 seconds
resolutions office. Yeah, we have classes of UAP. There's a number of classes and categories that we um How many?48 minutes, 49 seconds
Uh more than eight. Do you know more than eight? Yes. Can you list them? No. No. Um maybe soon we can.48 minutes, 58 seconds
Going back to the retrieval. So I'm saying this and not you because you don't want to, you know, reveal anything classified. done deep dives on American49 minutes, 7 seconds
anti-gravity research. Okay. Electro exotic electromagnetic propulsion and I even just interviewed the former deputy49 minutes, 15 seconds
CTO of Northre Grumman um who was actually part of the UAP task force, the army representative, a guy named Carl Nell and I said, you know, is any ofChapter 10: Summoning the Egg
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this crazy UFO stuff investable or actionable? We were speaking to a room full of entrepreneurs and he said go49 minutes, 31 seconds
just watch Jesse's video on uh Thomas Towns and Brown. Okay.49 minutes, 36 seconds
And so to me that is as much confirmation as we're ever probably going to get for a little bit at least49 minutes, 45 seconds
on the idea that we do have exotic propulsion human craft in our possession.49 minutes, 51 seconds
So is there anything else that gives you conviction that let me let me go into that. So let me go into the analysis that was the presented49 minutes, 59 seconds
to Arrow and why they're why they consider it NHI. So best way to explain this, we set out specifically to50 minutes, 9 seconds
um summon the egg and uh record gather sensor data on the egg.50 minutes, 17 seconds
At the moment we expected or um elicited the egg,50 minutes, 24 seconds
it shows up moving so fast we couldn't see with the naked eye. Another object also showed up at that time that our um50 minutes, 34 seconds
our our guy operating our OP, our our top observer saw this object. It burnt the sensor in his camera.50 minutes, 43 seconds
We had another camera luckily that was also recording. But um where the first object showed up, the sensor was50 minutes, 51 seconds
damaged. Behind that, the egg flies by um in dead silence, makes a turn and comes around in to land and disappears50 minutes, 58 seconds
behind the house. So that wasn't done when we did that most recent exercise.51 minutes, 5 seconds
That wasn't done on the range in coordination with the DoD or any private partners. It was done with me and the team we've assembled since then. And you51 minutes, 13 seconds
with we have all the tools and talents and techniques that we did in the legacy program and now we're doing them on our own. And when you say legacy program,51 minutes, 21 seconds
legacy UFO program is yeah, you know, legacy is kind of a loaded term, but um I would51 minutes, 28 seconds
say in everyone's prior scope of work and career fields, they've worked uh in they've worked in this capacity and have51 minutes, 38 seconds
had these experiences and now but doing it um on the payroll and under the NDA obligations of the federal government,51 minutes, 48 seconds
private partners. A lot of us have left those those jobs. I'm no longer doing that work. I'm no longer connected in the same way I w I was. And since then,51 minutes, 57 seconds
we've formed our own organization and we have all the tools and talent that um we52 minutes, 4 seconds
had back then, but we have it in a private venture and we're doing our own exploration. And who's we?52 minutes, 12 seconds
We is uh Skywatcher Technologies is a company we formed. What you're basically saying at a fundamental level is I think52 minutes, 20 seconds
one of the biggest critiques of the UFO phenomena is that it's completely ephemeral and you're saying it's actually repeatable because every oh science needs science needs to be repeatable.52 minutes, 29 seconds
Knock wrap your knuckles on it. Like some of the stuff is like I'm not kidding like a physical craft.52 minutes, 35 seconds
Every time I drop this pen it's going to you know hit the ground. And what you're saying is that every time you do these sort of summoning techniques and then there's like a a more physical version.52 minutes, 45 seconds
Luis Alzando whistleblower who was involved in the OSAP program uh writes in his book that they contemplating baiting uh UFOs with52 minutes, 54 seconds
nuclear material. So that's something that's kind of open source and in public record.52 minutes, 58 seconds
It's not all tangible. Drop the pin, it hits the ground. That's why there are eight or more classes of UAP um in our53 minutes, 5 seconds
work because it ranges from the supernatural like groundbased paranormal phenomenon to what looks like objects in the sky.53 minutes, 16 seconds
And Gary Nolan, he's on our team. He's been there in the desert when we've summoned the egg. Wow. In broad daylight. So you brought Gary Nolan out. Yeah. He he's part of our new team.53 minutes, 24 seconds
So So a Nobel Stanford professor has seen this occur. He's he's borne witness to this.53 minutes, 31 seconds
He didn't see it with his own eyes because no one did. It was moving too fast. But he's seen the report and our sensor data sensor data afterwards. All this information that I'm giving you,53 minutes, 40 seconds
including our reports, has all been given to Arrow and we can get into that.53 minutes, 44 seconds
But uh th this incident and the future incidents that have happened that we're going to talk about um you know in the last 5 years all of this has been53 minutes, 54 seconds
disclosed to uh you know I've spent a lot of time speaking. One thing I wanted to do was to do this the right way, was54 minutes, 2 seconds
to give our institutions and our authorities a chance to hear this stuff first and to reconcile it and to do the right thing with it and to primarily54 minutes, 10 seconds
give me guidance on what to do with it moving forward. So, you know, everything I'm telling you um and more has been54 minutes, 17 seconds
shared with Congress in a in a in a skiff in a top secret uh TSCI54 minutes, 25 seconds
um environment where I've given testimony.54 minutes, 28 seconds
Real quick, a skip is a secure compartmentalized information facility. Basically, a Faraday cage. Yeah. No, no, no signals in or out. No.54 minutes, 36 seconds
Um and then TSSCI is top secret compartmentalized information.54 minutes, 40 seconds
Yeah. Secure compartment. Yes. And what's funny, I don't I mean I'm a kid from the 70s, but if remember the show Mor from Orc, Mor and Mindy, Robin Williams was his one of his first roles.54 minutes, 50 seconds
He wore the suspenders. The story goes and they show it in the preview of that show and it's part of every show is this white egg. He flew to Earth54 minutes, 58 seconds
in this white egg. And at night, I think he would like go to sleep in this egg and she'd be like, "Good night." And he'd go be like, "Nanu nanoo." And he'd go sleep in this egg. And I'm like, bro,55 minutes, 9 seconds
like how much of our culture is like, is that did someone know?55 minutes, 14 seconds
Well, the the egg as a form has shown up a few times in quote unquote ufology.55 minutes, 21 seconds
You have Lonnie Zamora, Sakoro, New Mexico, 1964, where he's this police officer. He sees this egg actually land,55 minutes, 28 seconds
sees burnt vegetation in the area. James Fox made this amazing movie called Moment of Contact.55 minutes, 34 seconds
Everybody in this little town in Brazil reports seeing an egg landing and it seems to be emitting this sort of like ammonia like thing and even seems to kill a doctor. It's pretty pretty crazy.55 minutes, 44 seconds
So the egg thing does show up.55 minutes, 46 seconds
That's one thing I just wanted to mention like sometimes I feel like truth is actually stranger than fiction. And a lot of times like55 minutes, 53 seconds
these these uh tales the stories are are influenced by by something we've seen in real life or heard about or sounded too56 minutes
crazy to actually believe. And one thing I've been looking at in this um space is the commonalities between what people56 minutes, 8 seconds
are seeing and you just described there being eight or more different types of UAPs. And the egg is something we've56 minutes, 16 seconds
seen throughout history and seen throughout multiple sightings.56 minutes, 19 seconds
Glowing eggs. Eggs. Another egg-shaped object. Egg. Egg. Egg. The egg. The cosmic egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Fellow56 minutes, 26 seconds
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Okay. So, can you help me bridge the gap between this summoning that you're describing and you you you've used the58 minutes, 4 seconds
term we and then your crash retrieval endeavors. And I'm I'm having trouble understanding58 minutes, 12 seconds
that's a really good helicopter pilot is also doing this other thing and what what that correlation is I mean so within the 10 plus years sinceChapter 11: Octagon Shaped Craft Retrieval
58 minutes, 21 seconds
I first retrieved a craft in non-human origin where I was just serving as a dumb helicopter pilot like what the hell58 minutes, 29 seconds
is going on? A lot has happened since then. I mean we've had the disclosure movement kick off. Um, but other recoveries that we could talk about were58 minutes, 37 seconds
very emotional to me. Um because there was a consciousness component to that58 minutes, 44 seconds
and I felt I felt that there was something conscious about the craft um during the recovery process that had58 minutes, 51 seconds
tapped into me and was disruptive in the most beautiful way in my ability to operate a helicopter and almost led to59 minutes
me punching this craft off and creating a whole another crash site like in between where I picked it up and dropped it off. What what what is this instance you want to just describe?59 minutes, 10 seconds
This was the other one I can talk about called the eight gone which is basically a disc a flying disc with eight59 minutes, 18 seconds
individual sections when viewed from above. And on this particular night59 minutes, 26 seconds
uh I got my normal readout for the load and this time it included a hazmat disclosure for biologics. So that59 minutes, 34 seconds
typically meant, you know, souls on board is the disclosure I would get if there were living bodies, humans.59 minutes, 42 seconds
Um,59 minutes, 43 seconds
who's who's giving that readout as to whether they're bodies or guys on the ground?59 minutes, 47 seconds
So the guys that manif and they don't say bodies, they just say uh hazmat. Have you ever seen a body?59 minutes, 53 seconds
Not I've never seen an alien body. I've seen plenty of human bodies and recovered human bodies in this same way.1 hour, 1 second
And it's a standard disclosure. So when I was flying in, I thought that's what I was dealing with. I was like, "Oh [ __ ]1 hour, 6 seconds
the pilot crashed on the range and we're hauling off, you know, body parts." Your your colleagues have seen bodies,1 hour, 14 seconds
non-human intelligence bodies. You'd have to ask them. Okay.1 hour, 18 seconds
And so in this case, you see this eightgone craft, this kind of octagon.1 hour, 23 seconds
Yeah. As I'm flying towards it, I get the readout on what it is. And um I was trained as a pilot a long time ago. And1 hour, 33 seconds
the last 20 years that's I've served more as a as a pilot than I have as a a ground crew member or in any other capacity. It's been the primary thing1 hour, 40 seconds
I've done is is been a helicopter air operations expert. So on most of these missions I'm working from the cockpit of1 hour, 47 seconds
the helicopter. And so the ground crew is a separate crew that gets dispatched and they're dealing with hazmat security1 hour, 54 seconds
containment uh setting up a a perimeter and an entry control point and observation. like they're doing all that. I sit back at a separate location.1 hour, 1 minute, 4 seconds
I get GPS coordinates at the very last second. I get dispatched. I go there and then u in route with from very short1 hour, 1 minute, 11 seconds
range out, maybe 5 minutes out, I get read a description of what it is I'm picking up this night. I get an approximate size and dimension. And then1 hour, 1 minute, 20 seconds
I get negative souls on board and a hazmat disclosure uh for biologics for biological hazmat. So I'm like, "Oh,1 hour, 1 minute, 26 seconds
great. Somebody crashed. Someone's dead." All right. So, as I'm getting close to this craft, how big is a craft?1 hour, 1 minute, 34 seconds
Again, it's not that big. Probably 25 30 feet, but it's like a it's like a dis this maybe the size of this concrete slab here. Like this one's dark gray,1 hour, 1 minute, 46 seconds
like a dark matte gray or black from what I could tell. I was getting very little light signature off of just the hard angles of the of the sections,1 hour, 1 minute, 56 seconds
but the eight sections like the intersection between the spine and then some of the texture that existed in those panels in between. Um, and still1 hour, 2 minutes, 6 seconds
like there's nothing about this inherently that it's like that could be one of our crafts. I mean, where where is this by the way?1 hour, 2 minutes, 14 seconds
California desert. Okay. Similar location. Similar. Yeah, very similar.1 hour, 2 minutes, 19 seconds
And um but as I'm flying and I get closer to this craft um it's well first of all it's quiet.1 hour, 2 minutes, 33 seconds
When I say quiet it was quiet on the radios at that time but my mind wasn't quiet. I start having this very emotional experience.1 hour, 2 minutes, 45 seconds
Um, it's almost, man, I never explained it this way before, but it's like when you feel like you're about to throw up,1 hour, 2 minutes, 50 seconds
but you're not sure. You're like, am I going to throw up? Am I Oh, no. I'm good. I'm like, no, it's going to happen. Like, it was like that, but not1 hour, 2 minutes, 58 seconds
a a nausea. It was like an emotional escalation that started inside of me that seemed completely foreign. And the1 hour, 3 minutes, 6 seconds
closer I got to the object, the more emotional I got. sad or awkward or how would you describe1 hour, 3 minutes, 14 seconds
it? It was It was It was beautiful. It was a beautiful feeling.1 hour, 3 minutes, 23 seconds
[ __ ] But it's so weird. It's like that uh it's like that minor chord as a kid.1 hour, 3 minutes, 29 seconds
It's like that sad beauty. It's like a a first, a minor third, and a fifth. It was beautiful, but there was a sadness to it. Did it communicate anything?1 hour, 3 minutes, 42 seconds
I I didn't get a message other than like I just felt like I was in the presence of my mother. It was like a feminine1 hour, 3 minutes, 50 seconds
energy that was loving and sad and I don't know what it was, but the closer I got, the more intense it got. I hooked up. As I'm flying back to the drop site,1 hour, 4 minutes, 2 seconds
I'm like completely overwhelmed. I'm like balling my eyes out. flying a helicopter at night like trying not to1 hour, 4 minutes, 10 seconds
run into mountains and [ __ ] and I'm like oh my god this is not good. Then I'm like am I I don't and I didn't want to tell anyone about this cuz I'm like then1 hour, 4 minutes, 19 seconds
I'm not fit to fly. Um and I'm like am I am I stressed? Am I sleep too much cortisol estrogen pumped1 hour, 4 minutes, 27 seconds
through my veins? You know what's going on? And then as I get close I make it there I safely get it popped off and1 hour, 4 minutes, 35 seconds
then as I fly away it goes away. I I just want to paint the picture for people here because it's like you're flying a helicopter at night using night1 hour, 4 minutes, 43 seconds
vision. You have no you you're like in in pretty intense terrain. Yeah.1 hour, 4 minutes, 48 seconds
You're carrying something that is like messing with your consciousness as you're doing one of the hardest you're flying one of the hardest objects ever made.1 hour, 4 minutes, 56 seconds
Yeah.1 hour, 4 minutes, 56 seconds
Um like have you had you ever been in a situation where you had something interfere with you on a conscious like it doesn't feel like a a very common1 hour, 5 minutes, 4 seconds
experience like that? I think that's what was most disturbing to me is being someone who prides themselves on like comfort and chaos. Like I've had every other thing try and [ __ ] with me while1 hour, 5 minutes, 12 seconds
I'm flying at night. Like so much distraction intensity and life or death situations and I'm cool with it. But this messed me up, man. It messed me up.1 hour, 5 minutes, 22 seconds
And there was a psionics team working that night. Um, and so I don't know1 hour, 5 minutes, 29 seconds
whether you know it's one of two things like either there was1 hour, 5 minutes, 36 seconds
there was something with a very powerful talent inside of that thingChapter 12: Psionic Assets
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that was connecting its soul or spirit to me as I was flying or one of the psionic assets1 hour, 5 minutes, 53 seconds
got its consciousness trapped. in that thing and somehow was communicating through me.1 hour, 5 minutes, 58 seconds
And so what what are psionic assets? Um when we look at collecting data, one of the areas that we look to collect data1 hour, 6 minutes, 6 seconds
is through a psionic asset, which is an individual who's trained in remote viewing, um psychic abilities, telekinesis,1 hour, 6 minutes, 16 seconds
that type of thing, which is basically through a number of different um protocols can transition into a place1 hour, 6 minutes, 25 seconds
where they are highly sensitive to their environment. from from the point of view of consciousness through a consciousness field. And that is not a woo woo topic.1 hour, 6 minutes, 35 seconds
I know I'm just throwing it in, but it's so matterof fact to me that it it's the same as saying night vision goggles.1 hour, 6 minutes, 42 seconds
Like it's there. We use it. And it's worked both on the it's used both on the summoning side and the data collection side.1 hour, 6 minutes, 48 seconds
So you're saying humans summon these UAVs? There are two types of summoning that can be done that we've proven works1 hour, 6 minutes, 57 seconds
and we're still working with. Uh there's machine-based summoning systems and there's man-based summoning systems. Uh1 hour, 7 minutes, 4 seconds
machinebased summoning systems are uh without going into details are signals1 hour, 7 minutes, 12 seconds
um and uh energy systems that can be turned on or activated.1 hour, 7 minutes, 21 seconds
uh that summon UAP activity or that UAP act UAP are attracted to. And I say again remembering what UAP means, it's a1 hour, 7 minutes, 30 seconds
very broad term. It's uh unidentified anomalous phenomenon. So unidentified anomalous [ __ ] shows up. That's a pretty1 hour, 7 minutes, 37 seconds
broad category. Now, in order to be effective at serving as a PA, you could think of consciousness as a field. Don't1 hour, 7 minutes, 46 seconds
think of it as this superficial woowoo thing. like it's literally like like the worldwide web. It's like the internet. Um it's always there. We can't see it.1 hour, 7 minutes, 54 seconds
It's full of information and exciting things, but point to it. I don't see it here. Y right. So where is it? You have1 hour, 8 minutes, 2 seconds
to be able to tap into it. You need something like a Wi-Fi signal to get there. So, individuals that have this1 hour, 8 minutes, 10 seconds
gift are people that have been trained and have the talent to serve as a Wi-Fi to tap into the consciousness field where everything in the universe seems1 hour, 8 minutes, 19 seconds
to exist or have its presence. And once you can do that, now you're in an environment where while we're having1 hour, 8 minutes, 27 seconds
other multiple forms of sensory data in place. If a UAP shows up, is it registering in the consciousness field1 hour, 8 minutes, 34 seconds
that our PA asset is connected to through the Wi-Fi? And the Wi-Fi is this process of getting into mindful1 hour, 8 minutes, 41 seconds
meditation. Um, so two things are happening in that process or protocol of serving as a PA. lowering intellect,1 hour, 8 minutes, 51 seconds
increasing intuition,1 hour, 8 minutes, 53 seconds
and then reintroducing intellect at a higher level as an observer, not as a driver. How do you do that? Well, you're either born with a gift or you go1 hour, 9 minutes, 2 seconds
through you spend 30 years as a Shaolin monk and you figure out how to do it the hard way. There are ether easier ways.1 hour, 9 minutes, 8 seconds
There are cheats and some of the cheats that have been experimented with are things that have not fared well for1 hour, 9 minutes, 16 seconds
those involved in the program including children and I'll talk about them. So how do we how do we heighten intuition?1 hour, 9 minutes, 23 seconds
Well, you do it through stress inoculation.1 hour, 9 minutes, 26 seconds
You do it through triggering flight or or fight orflight uh biology systems in our body. Some of the most powerful things you can do is trigger that on.1 hour, 9 minutes, 36 seconds
Like if it ain't broke, don't fix it.1 hour, 9 minutes, 38 seconds
Don't reinvent the wheel. The human mind and body is already something so spectacular we don't understand it. I don't know why it works but if you can1 hour, 9 minutes, 45 seconds
trigger flight or fight all these things get activated and intuition does. So stress inoculation is one. You got to1 hour, 9 minutes, 53 seconds
hijack the amygdala and boom you put someone there. You need to do that to heighten intuition while subduing1 hour, 10 minutes
intellect. How do you do that? You subdue the intellect by disassociation.1 hour, 10 minutes, 5 seconds
So there are chemical ways to uh induce disassociation. There are uh more um1 hour, 10 minutes, 15 seconds
proactive ways that you could do yourself like through meditation. But all in all, those are the two things you do to get into that state. Well, kids1 hour, 10 minutes, 23 seconds
are naturally way more visceral in both of those things. They're naturally more intuitive. Their intellect is lower.1 hour, 10 minutes, 29 seconds
There is one more thing that you have to do to even enter that and that deals with the other eye instinct. So your instincts have to be satisfied at this1 hour, 10 minutes, 37 seconds
time. So that just means you have to be comfortable. Can't be hungry. Can't be horny. Can't be tired. Can't be worried1 hour, 10 minutes, 44 seconds
about your your survival. You can't be cold. You can't be hot. So all that has to be taken care of. So the limbic part1 hour, 10 minutes, 51 seconds
of your brain is not like freaking out while the prefrontal cortex, whatever part of the brain it is that's more1 hour, 10 minutes, 59 seconds
responsible for the hardware that helps you connect to the to the consciousness internet is. So satisfy the instinct,1 hour, 11 minutes, 6 seconds
heighten the intellect or suppress the intellect, heighten the intuition, add back in the intellect at a high level.1 hour, 11 minutes, 13 seconds
Boom. You're in it. Now there's another way that that we do and that's through hardware. So you could do software,1 hour, 11 minutes, 22 seconds
chemical drugs to in order to get stress inoculation and disassociation or you can do hardware. Um, one of the guys on1 hour, 11 minutes, 31 seconds
our team, um, has made a breakthrough recently and uses a system which is basically um, a non-intrusive,1 hour, 11 minutes, 41 seconds
uh, ultrasound system that can target the brain and induce or at least take a1 hour, 11 minutes, 50 seconds
lot of the edge and the struggle out of transitioning into that state. And so he's he's one of the guys that works in our new organization that is assisting1 hour, 11 minutes, 58 seconds
us with reproducing and demonstrating all of this stuff that has gone on over the decades in the program that comes1 hour, 12 minutes, 6 seconds
with all this baggage and secrecy and stuff. And we're trying to leave all that behind and do it now in this uh in1 hour, 12 minutes, 14 seconds
this clean and free environment where we have autonomy as a private organization working in partnership with government organizations and in educational1 hour, 12 minutes, 22 seconds
institutions to put this out there once and for all. And you know in that effort we feel this is a much more humane way1 hour, 12 minutes, 29 seconds
and everyone that works with us is doing so on a volunteer basis. But how the ultrasound works is it can target it can get through the skull and it can target1 hour, 12 minutes, 37 seconds
parts of the brain to help you transition out of intellect and into your intuition. Um and the most of the1 hour, 12 minutes, 46 seconds
experimentation that is done and the testing that is done in order to find the people that can serve in this role is done through a random number1 hour, 12 minutes, 54 seconds
generator. So, he rans a runs a random number generator program and then has the subject sit there and and hopefully1 hour, 13 minutes, 4 seconds
I'm not butchering this whole process of how he tests it, but um has the subject then has the ultrasound equipment run1 hour, 13 minutes, 13 seconds
into the brain. The consciousness is activated through lowering intuition,1 hour, 13 minutes, 18 seconds
heightening intuition and lowering intellect. And now the individual can impose its will on this random number generator that's running in a computer and can cause the number to move up if he wants or causes it to move down.1 hour, 13 minutes, 28 seconds
And for context for the audience, a random number generator is basically a graphical interface that shows ones and1 hour, 13 minutes, 35 seconds
zeros. Yeah, it's a binary computer and it's tied to something that is conventionally thought of as random in quantum mechanics. So radioactive1 hour, 13 minutes, 43 seconds
isotope decay, a photon bouncing around a little box. And so it's a perfect digital coin flip over a long enough time scale, you should expect the same1 hour, 13 minutes, 51 seconds
amount of ones and zeros with maybe a small standard deviation. Yeah.1 hour, 13 minutes, 54 seconds
And if you're saying that through stress inoculation and dissociation or through this hardware technique, somebody can in1 hour, 14 minutes, 2 seconds
a statistically significant way affect that it's called a zcore in this random event event generator.1 hour, 14 minutes, 9 seconds
So you get more ones or more zeros.1 hour, 14 minutes, 12 seconds
You're basically saying that that person has more ability to render their reality and affect that more of a mind over matter effect1 hour, 14 minutes, 19 seconds
through consciousness. They can affect reality of that which is nuts. That's and it doesn't take and here's the crazy thing. Even if they in that test cuz1 hour, 14 minutes, 27 seconds
zero or flatline or the the middle line is the reality, right? So even if someone could get it to deviate the most1 hour, 14 minutes, 36 seconds
minuscule number, any deviation is infinitely mind-blowing because because it's that good of a test because there1 hour, 14 minutes, 44 seconds
should be no deviation. So any deviation should be good. And what happens is crazy because as it starts once the1 hour, 14 minutes, 52 seconds
subject looks over and realizes they're being successful, they're like, "Oh [ __ ] I'm moving the thing." Then it's a and it drops back down and they got to1 hour, 15 minutes
go back into it. And then you'll see the the spike, the trend, the vector of the trend over the report moves up and down.1 hour, 15 minutes, 7 seconds
And when they kind of come out of it and realize they're moving it, it goes back down and then it almost becomes exponential. They just they blast it out of proportion.1 hour, 15 minutes, 15 seconds
A close friend and mentor of mine used to specialize in this experiment at Princeton, their Paris psychology lab or the the pair lab where they studied all sorts of anomalous, you know, stuff.1 hour, 15 minutes, 26 seconds
And he would call this the rebound effect. And you can analogize it with,1 hour, 15 minutes, 30 seconds
you know, you're uh playing basketball and you're making a bunch of shots or whatever and then all of a sudden you become, you know, conscious of it and then you have this snapback effect. And1 hour, 15 minutes, 38 seconds
it's in life generally, people have these sort of upward momentum streaks and then they come,1 hour, 15 minutes, 43 seconds
you know, crashing down and there's always this sort of local mean reversion. Yeah.1 hour, 15 minutes, 47 seconds
And so it's it's wild to see that actually exemplified in the form of an experiment. So, as fun as that is, and we could sit here and talk about that all day and just take people off, like1 hour, 15 minutes, 56 seconds
there's a real practical application for that. So, I'm just saying that to say like this is a real thing. What we do,1 hour, 16 minutes, 2 seconds
you put someone in out there that's trained to do that and you support them with the right support system and environment. And then you're also out1 hour, 16 minutes, 9 seconds
there with the right data collection equipment to not only monitor their experience to make sure they're self and health are safe and healthy and not1 hour, 16 minutes, 17 seconds
getting hurt, but you're also correlating it to your other measure.1 hour, 16 minutes, 21 seconds
It's a measuring device for us. That's what this whole crazy thing about taking a psionic asset, putting them in our our work suite, which is like a Faraday1 hour, 16 minutes, 29 seconds
cage, um, and getting them involved is just to add a sixth, 7th, eighth piece of equipment. So when this when thisChapter 13: Human Trafficking (Michael Herrera Story)
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phenomenon shows up, does the random number generator in here move when it also shows up on IR over our radar? So,1 hour, 16 minutes, 46 seconds
it's not like we're going off the deep end. Our whole world is all about psionics and remote viewing. It's not.1 hour, 16 minutes, 52 seconds
It's literally correlating with an observable you're getting on another and multi-ensory corroboration is what you're looking for in any sort of scientific process.1 hour, 17 minutes
And it works the other way. Sometimes the intent is to have the psionic assets summon the phenomenon and the rest of1 hour, 17 minutes, 7 seconds
the equipment is turned down and then because we want to be able to isolate where we're having successes. So they1 hour, 17 minutes, 15 seconds
they ramp up, they activate, they summon, they invite it in, and then the rest of the equipment becomes measuring for their for their summoning uh effort.1 hour, 17 minutes, 24 seconds
And so yeah,1 hour, 17 minutes, 26 seconds
so it it sounds like the US government has used kids as psionic assets. And does that bother you at all?1 hour, 17 minutes, 36 seconds
Yeah, that bothers me. Yeah.1 hour, 17 minutes, 37 seconds
Yeah, it does. It does bother me. Do you have a model of what these crafts are and what's inside of them?1 hour, 17 minutes, 44 seconds
Well, interestingly enough, this particular craft, the eight at eight gone,1 hour, 17 minutes, 49 seconds
is exactly what Michael Herrera reports to have seen.1 hour, 17 minutes, 55 seconds
That's the one time I've ever heard this brought up, that account. And it's it's a it's m it's matte black like you described. He calls it phantom black and1 hour, 18 minutes, 3 seconds
he says it has eight, you know, like an octagonal shape.1 hour, 18 minutes, 6 seconds
Yeah. So, I heard Michael Herrera's story in Washington DC. There was a uh1 hour, 18 minutes, 13 seconds
in 2023, I believe there was a whistleblower conference shortly after the whistleblower protection act got activated and then there was this at the1 hour, 18 minutes, 22 seconds
National Press Club hosted by Steven Greer. Um there were several whistleblowers that uh had uh1 hour, 18 minutes, 32 seconds
um decided to come forward in that environment and share their stories. So,1 hour, 18 minutes, 37 seconds
we were actually sent there uh on behalf of our employer to look for1 hour, 18 minutes, 43 seconds
whistleblowers that we were trying to um basically report to the FBI and get arrested1 hour, 18 minutes, 52 seconds
because at that time I was in this weird place between becoming a whistleblower or rounding up the whistleblowers and1 hour, 19 minutes, 2 seconds
shutting them up because there were good reasons and bad reasons.1 hour, 19 minutes, 6 seconds
to be a whistleblower. And so so you are at this press event red teaming basically. Exactly.1 hour, 19 minutes, 13 seconds
You are trying to maybe gather intel on people who might become a liability for the program and you hear Michael Herrera give his testimony.1 hour, 19 minutes, 20 seconds
Yeah. And I wasn't prepared for that. So it's I'm sorry because you had already seen the Aegon. Yes.1 hour, 19 minutes, 26 seconds
And then he talked about what you had experienced firsthand and then and he's getting up there and everyone's like this guy's full of [ __ ] Well, he1 hour, 19 minutes, 33 seconds
was his was the craziest testimony from that. And so, basically, this guy is saying in 2009, he's deployed with his Marine unit to the Philippines.1 hour, 19 minutes, 42 seconds
Then a small part of that marine unit,1 hour, 19 minutes, 45 seconds
like eight or nine people, get actually moved off to Indonesia. Is this right? Yes.1 hour, 19 minutes, 49 seconds
And there's a a seven RTOR scale earthquake that had just occurred in the area. So, it's a disaster zone.1 hour, 19 minutes, 56 seconds
This is good. We're gonna want to go over this whole thing. Keep going. and he sees this eight gun octagon shaped craft matte black. He describes it as1 hour, 20 minutes, 4 seconds
like blacker than black and it's hovering above the treetops and his unit starts to close in because he's like,1 hour, 20 minutes, 11 seconds
"What what is this thing?" And there's a there's a there's a humming sound around it. So, not a traditional engine.1 hour, 20 minutes, 16 seconds
Yeah. And as they're sort of moving towards it, what he describes as this elite,1 hour, 20 minutes, 23 seconds
possibly Department of Energy paramilitary unit with technical gear out the wazoo comes and apprehends he1 hour, 20 minutes, 32 seconds
and his team and they have bioscanners and they have all sorts of technical gear. They're threatening this team of Marines and they're saying it's easy to get lost in the jungle, right?1 hour, 20 minutes, 42 seconds
Yeah. They were actually two of the guys um were actually talking about either,1 hour, 20 minutes, 46 seconds
hey, should we smoke these guys right now? You know, that's what they kept saying. It was kind of feeding more into the fear at that point because again, I don't know who these guys are. I know they had American gear. They had1 hour, 20 minutes, 54 seconds
American sidearms as well. Um if these guys have actually taken an oath like we have and why they're going against1 hour, 21 minutes, 1 second
people like us and even willing to kill um servicemen who just even stumbled onto this, it just blows my mind and1 hour, 21 minutes, 8 seconds
it's very sick. And so Michael Herrera comes back to the US. He's shocked. He actually does a little bit of press around this because he's like, "This is1 hour, 21 minutes, 17 seconds
ridiculous that this is being hid to the American public." And then somebody back channels to him from the program and1 hour, 21 minutes, 25 seconds
says, "Actually, the reason that that elite squad was there and they were there next to that craft is because they1 hour, 21 minutes, 33 seconds
were transferring psionic assets for the program." And so this was a human trafficking operation where they1 hour, 21 minutes, 41 seconds
were taking people, putting them in pods, loading them onto these craft, and then that craft was taking them back to the US for use.1 hour, 21 minutes, 49 seconds
We back channelneled it. That was us. We back channelneled that. That was you. That was me. Oh my god.1 hour, 21 minutes, 55 seconds
So when that happened, we were able to cooperate at least three key things. one1 hour, 22 minutes, 3 seconds
that those type of paramilitary units do exist because guys from our group get recruited and offered jobs to go to all1 hour, 22 minutes, 12 seconds
to go exercise our skills elsewhere outside the US. I have never done it.1 hour, 22 minutes, 17 seconds
I've never been part of those teams. The other thing is the description of the craft is exactly what I had seen before1 hour, 22 minutes, 24 seconds
and my team had seen before except he claimed this one was like 300 feet in diameter. Never seen one that big. Um1 hour, 22 minutes, 32 seconds
the other thing were the containers. He described the containers at the time uh as being used for transporting drugs. He1 hour, 22 minutes, 40 seconds
was just making speculating. He wasn't lying, but he assumed that they were there must have been transporting drugs because he saw these units on the roofs.1 hour, 22 minutes, 49 seconds
Well, those units were so uh those units that they used are consistent with the workstations we use when we're out on1 hour, 22 minutes, 57 seconds
the range. there there many split HVAC systems that are used up there because as I explained that's where we have our data observation team in those and most1 hour, 23 minutes, 6 seconds
of the time those are the Faraday cages for the psionic assets. Um, we also know that uh that there are operations okonis1 hour, 23 minutes, 16 seconds
outside the continental United States where prospecting for psionic assets takes place and they're highly coveted.1 hour, 23 minutes, 23 seconds
And the interesting thing is is I hear in those programs that um there's1 hour, 23 minutes, 30 seconds
something valuable about the life experience in third world countries. uh in that it seems as though people that1 hour, 23 minutes, 37 seconds
live a simpler life and are outdoors more and have less contaminants in their food and their drugs and in their culture seem to be a little bit better1 hour, 23 minutes, 45 seconds
at disassociating and heightening their intuition. Um and they come willingly because of the economic imbalance between where they come from. So, what I1 hour, 23 minutes, 54 seconds
really don't like about how that came out and when uh Shawn Ryan was there uh at the time with us in DC when this1 hour, 24 minutes, 2 seconds
happened and we talked about this shortly after that is when Herrera went on his show and the thing took a kind of1 hour, 24 minutes, 9 seconds
a dark turn cuz the term human trafficking was was slapped on this thing and when you hear that you think1 hour, 24 minutes, 16 seconds
of slavery and sex trafficking and all these things. Um, and it's my understanding that's not at all what goes on in these operations. It's no1 hour, 24 minutes, 24 seconds
different than someone setting up any other type of business. And the people come willingly. The people that work in these programs, it's a great job. It's1 hour, 24 minutes, 32 seconds
fun. They're some of them have known their whole life that they have this intuition or this special talent and1 hour, 24 minutes, 39 seconds
they're socially awkward or have other pathology, social pathologies,1 hour, 24 minutes, 44 seconds
um, that they're dealing with too that somehow seems like it plays into this.1 hour, 24 minutes, 48 seconds
So it's like not all the people that are talented in this way are normal in every other way. It's like God created some balance. So when they can come and get1 hour, 24 minutes, 57 seconds
involved in this program and have food and shelter and be treated with respect and make money, like if you went down there on your high horse representing1 hour, 25 minutes, 5 seconds
the United States and and morality and went in and tried to liberate these people, they'd be like, "Get out of here. We don't want to be liberated. This is our job."1 hour, 25 minutes, 13 seconds
Can I play devil's advocate for one second? I think in the Michael Herrera testimony, he thought that whatever1 hour, 25 minutes, 21 seconds
organization this paramilitary group was from was taking advantage of the fact that Indonesia was this disaster zone, right?1 hour, 25 minutes, 28 seconds
And some of these people could go missing easily. Yes.1 hour, 25 minutes, 30 seconds
And so that to me sounds one theory or or the hurricane the natural disaster was actually threatening a workspace for this1 hour, 25 minutes, 39 seconds
operation and they needed to get the hell out of dodge.1 hour, 25 minutes, 42 seconds
Got it. I have no firsthand experience with that operation nor1 hour, 25 minutes, 49 seconds
direct contact with anyone involved with it. I know of that type of operation. I know of that1 hour, 25 minutes, 57 seconds
craft. I know of those containers um and I know of uh operations that1 hour, 26 minutes, 5 seconds
that that sounded like. And so the whole point of all this, and let me put a big giant red bow on it for you, is that1 hour, 26 minutes, 12 seconds
this was one I liked. I saw a good Marine up there when I saw Mike. I saw a1 hour, 26 minutes, 19 seconds
brother in arms doing his best to be put now with a microphone in his face in a [ __ ] suit and tie in Washington DC1 hour, 26 minutes, 27 seconds
when he's cut out to be carrying a saw through the jungle. And now he's doing his best and he's an honest good guy.1 hour, 26 minutes, 35 seconds
and I was going to let him hang. So, I I sidebarred Greer and a bunch of other people and said, "We need to talk about1 hour, 26 minutes, 42 seconds
this." I thanked Michael um and I have been loyal to him throughout the process1 hour, 26 minutes, 49 seconds
and trying to help him as much as I can get support for this while also trying to stay low-key to figure out where the1 hour, 26 minutes, 56 seconds
problems and landmines uh are with this issue. And this issue was brought up to the the entire incident was brought up1 hour, 27 minutes, 5 seconds
with my cooperations and my additional information was presented to Sean Kapatrick's version of Arrow. He1 hour, 27 minutes, 13 seconds
patently denied it and wrote it off as is uh anti-interesting and there was no evidence. And I know1 hour, 27 minutes, 21 seconds
for a fact that Sean Kapatrick has admitted outside of the office of arrow directly to members of the Senate1 hour, 27 minutes, 28 seconds
Intelligence Committee that it did in fact happen exactly as reported by Michael Herrera and with my additions.1 hour, 27 minutes, 37 seconds
That's absolutely wild. The implication of this story is that we can fly these objects because we were transporting1 hour, 27 minutes, 46 seconds
these psionic assets in this octagonal-shaped craft. I would think and again I'm stepping way outside my1 hour, 27 minutes, 53 seconds
bounds. I have no idea how and who that operates but I something like a reversed engineered1 hour, 28 minutes, 2 seconds
version of the craft is probably what you were seeing. So this brings up maybe the most fundamental question which is why has the US government prime1 hour, 28 minutes, 10 seconds
aerospace contractors international organizations according to you why have they been systematically using these psionic assets uh using1 hour, 28 minutes, 19 seconds
other kind of machinery based attraction techniques to attract these UFOs? What what are they doing with the UFOs that land? Like what do you think was doneChapter 14: The Role of Private Aerospace Contractors
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with the egg that you retrieved for example? Um, first of all, I don't know,1 hour, 28 minutes, 33 seconds
but I taken somewhere to a secure facility and it was either1 hour, 28 minutes, 42 seconds
destroyed or hidden or buried because they've they have so many of them now that it's not interesting to them or1 hour, 28 minutes, 49 seconds
that it was uh researched in with the utmost secrecy. The senior EG&G engineer1 hour, 28 minutes, 57 seconds
described to my great uncle that it was egg-shaped about the size of a SUV. They tried to penetrate the hull, try to open1 hour, 29 minutes, 5 seconds
it. They couldn't. They said that they were able to take some very small samples of the material. I'm not an1 hour, 29 minutes, 12 seconds
expert in chemistry, but I guess the isotope ratio or the mixture of elements they concluded was not made on Earth.1 hour, 29 minutes, 19 seconds
So, it's I mean it sounds like we have by your account and again this is fully speculation. I know I realize you don't know this but like thousands of UFOs.1 hour, 29 minutes, 29 seconds
I think the problem is saying we that's a big problem because who's we? We don't have [ __ ] Most of this stuff is kept in1 hour, 29 minutes, 37 seconds
very niche private aerospace. And this is why the government doesn't quite have a handle on it. This stuff and the only reason I I can say this is because I know how our operations work.1 hour, 29 minutes, 47 seconds
Like nobody knows what I do on a daily basis. Even my my middle leader, I could go out on the range and have a1 hour, 29 minutes, 57 seconds
particular day or have an interaction or have something happen. Nobody in Washington DC knows what the hell I did that day and it doesn't matter how1 hour, 30 minutes, 5 seconds
profound it is. Like why is there not a clear chain of command? Why is there not some sort of central authority? You have rumors of1 hour, 30 minutes, 12 seconds
you know a buddy of mine Walter Kern you know I introduced him to David Grush. He's a journalist. He came out saying,1 hour, 30 minutes, 18 seconds
you know, uh, Grush told him that Cheney was the gate the the gatekeeper for all legacy UFO programs. You know, like you1 hour, 30 minutes, 25 seconds
have these people who do seem to be at the top. You hear rumors of Kissinger.1 hour, 30 minutes, 29 seconds
Part of our ignorance is the assumption that there's some functional structure in place. There's not. There's not. And1 hour, 30 minutes, 37 seconds
why isn't there? Well, well, private aerospace is holds a lot of the power1 hour, 30 minutes, 44 seconds
and the real estate in this in this space and the US government, they kind of lost control of it a long time ago.1 hour, 30 minutes, 51 seconds
Yeah, that that's my sense is that in the 50s when the atomic energy commission was set up where all this stuff was going down around Los Alamos1 hour, 30 minutes, 59 seconds
and other sensitive nuclear sites, you had basically the overlaying of nuclear secrecy on top of UFO secrecy. And so if1 hour, 31 minutes, 7 seconds
you look at the special definition of nuclear material, it's basic basically anything emitting alpha, beta, gamma radiation, any sort of material with1 hour, 31 minutes, 14 seconds
radiological properties are born secret upon retrieval. If you're the US government and you retrieve this stuff officially, you're in big trouble1 hour, 31 minutes, 23 seconds
because you know you don't have plausible deniability. You kind of committed this crime. This is open source science.1 hour, 31 minutes, 28 seconds
But if you get a prime aerospace contractor to do it,1 hour, 31 minutes, 31 seconds
you're much safer and you're more insulated. Yeah. And you have this whole Cold War secrecy era. And I think what1 hour, 31 minutes, 39 seconds
we have now is kind of a cargo cult of that Cold War secrecy. It's this uh structural overhang that is completely1 hour, 31 minutes, 46 seconds
inacronistic and actually makes no sense from an American national defense or security standpoint.1 hour, 31 minutes, 50 seconds
And it's not like they train like I wasn't even told that. Like nobody told me that's the structure I'm working under. I had to find out the hard way.1 hour, 31 minutes, 57 seconds
When the New York Times article came out like 2017,1 hour, 32 minutes, 1 second
uh it was really about then things started getting really weird for us and there was a lot of movement in our1 hour, 32 minutes, 10 seconds
world. Um a lot of things changed for us. A lot of our uh our contract callouts changed. New people are introduced into leadership structures.1 hour, 32 minutes, 21 seconds
Our communication um method changed. our compensation package got creative and uh just knowing1 hour, 32 minutes, 30 seconds
the way this world works is because it's so heavily compartmentalized and because we operate as a hidden hand. That's one1 hour, 32 minutes, 39 seconds
of the primary benefits of the service we provide. um that the plausible deniability button1 hour, 32 minutes, 48 seconds
that people at the top can hit in order to protect themselves1 hour, 32 minutes, 55 seconds
would sever us as the hidden hand. And that's kind of an ugly truth we always knew was there, but we were willing to1 hour, 33 minutes, 2 seconds
put ourselves in that position because we're patriots and we always believe that it was for the better of our nation and to strengthen our com our country.1 hour, 33 minutes, 12 seconds
At this time it that came into question because there was so much happening and it was obviousChapter 15: The Program (The Changing Tides)
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and we knew people started peering over the cubicles you could say of compartmentalization. We started sharing facts. We started putting together the1 hour, 33 minutes, 28 seconds
best we could the broader picture of of what's going on here because everyone had a little piece of the puzzle and the guy you're talking to today sitting here1 hour, 33 minutes, 36 seconds
and I the reason I can talk broadly about this is because my my view and understanding of this has like double1 hour, 33 minutes, 44 seconds
quadrupled if not more just in the last 5 years than it had in the previous 20 because of all the uh team building and1 hour, 33 minutes, 52 seconds
correlation and the networking going on with trusted individuals like some of our mutual friends to try and figure out what the hell is going on. Not only like1 hour, 34 minutes
to answer the the questions of like to what extent are does our country have advanced technology, how much of it is1 hour, 34 minutes, 8 seconds
non-human, but to what extent has our government become compromised, and how much are we at risk? Like, where are the good guys? Where are the bad guys? Like,1 hour, 34 minutes, 16 seconds
we're kind of screwed because we're trapped on the dark side of this thing.1 hour, 34 minutes, 20 seconds
Like the military-industrial complex or you know the deep black state is not this evil empire full of like Darth Vaders like it's the best and brightest.1 hour, 34 minutes, 31 seconds
It's the most patriotic. It's the most talented. It's the most committed accomplished people working over here.1 hour, 34 minutes, 38 seconds
And 99% of what goes on this nation benefits from and is what makes the nation great and powerful is because of1 hour, 34 minutes, 45 seconds
the fruits these institutions and private companies and the people that work there provide. So like that's1 hour, 34 minutes, 53 seconds
really scary to get like oh you know I'm like oh my god are we one of the bad guys? So, we're trying to figure out1 hour, 35 minutes
which side of this issue to be on. And um one of the things I feel extremely fortunate about in this1 hour, 35 minutes, 8 seconds
moment right now is that the majority of the good guys have moved to this side. I mean, thanks to people1 hour, 35 minutes, 15 seconds
like David Grush who stuck his neck out and tra and blazed the initial trail for disclosure and took a lot of crap for1 hour, 35 minutes, 23 seconds
doing so. and I'm sure he thinks made a lot of mistakes and could have done things better, but he's made it much easier in a much better environment for1 hour, 35 minutes, 31 seconds
us to come forward. And it's much more obvious that the bad guys are weaning in number and they're doomed and our1 hour, 35 minutes, 39 seconds
numbers are growing. But at the time when I was at the conference in DC, that wasn't the case. We were teetering. And1 hour, 35 minutes, 47 seconds
you know, you're faced with that ultimate question of like, do you do the right thing or do you self-preserve? And1 hour, 35 minutes, 54 seconds
as a married man with kids, that self-preservation option becomes much more complex because it's about like my wife and kids and my1 hour, 36 minutes, 3 seconds
livelihood and my quality of life and my my wealth and net worth and everything we've worked on is at stake. And so it's1 hour, 36 minutes, 12 seconds
a very complicated question, but my it didn't take me long to decide because like I had to believe that in the end of1 hour, 36 minutes, 20 seconds
the day that my intuition and my instincts for patriotism and for good would lead me at every moment to the1 hour, 36 minutes, 29 seconds
proper conclusion. And this really began when we sat there in the audience, me and my teammate, and we're listening to1 hour, 36 minutes, 36 seconds
Michael Hera's story. And I'm going I and I was able to understand what he was saying was true or at least1 hour, 36 minutes, 45 seconds
had elements that I was fully aware of that he didn't quite understand that he couldn't have been making up because if he did1 hour, 36 minutes, 53 seconds
somebody planted ideas in his imagination because he nailed exactly what goes on. So it was at this moment1 hour, 37 minutes, 2 seconds
that we began to help out. Um, and and and what what does that look like? So, the second you decide internally,1 hour, 37 minutes, 10 seconds
I'm going to choose the hard path. This program needs to be reformed. This Michael Herrera guy is actually a good guy. Do you go back to headquarters and1 hour, 37 minutes, 18 seconds
you say, you go to your boss and you say, hey, actually, you were wrong to have me red team this guy. Or what exactly happens there? Or do you kind of move in the dark?1 hour, 37 minutes, 27 seconds
We went we went back and we flipped we flipped on we flipped on red team power in the ultimate fashion and we began to1 hour, 37 minutes, 37 seconds
black team the black team is what we did. So,1 hour, 37 minutes, 42 seconds
and it was fun to have that clear of an orientation and to be that [ __ ] fired up about it because we went after them1 hour, 37 minutes, 51 seconds
and so the first question is who the hell are we working for and what are their intentions? This was happening at a time1 hour, 37 minutes, 59 seconds
we were set out to recover some sensitive information that was believed to be kept on some tough books.1 hour, 38 minutes, 5 seconds
Panasonic tough books. This was in the last four years. And it's believed on these tough books was highly [snorts]1 hour, 38 minutes, 11 seconds
sensitive information that uh was evidence to CR programs that uh we were1 hour, 38 minutes, 20 seconds
involved in. We received uh human intelligence that gave us um1 hour, 38 minutes, 27 seconds
the intel package we needed to pursue where we thought the first set of TU books might be. A recovery team was sent1 hour, 38 minutes, 34 seconds
and we found the TU books. I'm not going to say where. And we returned them to our employer um at a familiar facility1 hour, 38 minutes, 43 seconds
in the California desert. Uh the tough books were missing the hard drives. We then set out to recover the hard drives.1 hour, 38 minutes, 50 seconds
We found the human and our human uh asset led us to another location high in the Sierras which was a a glacier lake1 hour, 38 minutes, 58 seconds
and the hard drives were sealed in a steel container like 25 ft underwater. What? What?1 hour, 39 minutes, 5 seconds
So um a third mission. What exactly is on these hard drives?1 hour, 39 minutes, 9 seconds
I don't know. Whatever it was, there was at least two adversarial parties who would do anything to get their hands on them and we got caught in the middle.1 hour, 39 minutes, 19 seconds
The next mission we went out on, I'll just tell you that shots were fired and1 hour, 39 minutes, 24 seconds
um we called [ __ ] and that's when we began to backtrack and set out with our1 hour, 39 minutes, 34 seconds
our own effort to find out exactly who we were working for and what they were interested in. Can you say who you were working for?1 hour, 39 minutes, 40 seconds
No, I can't say. There's currently a two investigations taking place right now and uh I can't FBI is one of them.1 hour, 39 minutes, 48 seconds
And when you say you called [ __ ]1 hour, 39 minutes, 51 seconds
shots were fired, can you say anything about that incident specifically? No. Okay, fair. Fair enough. I was wondering. [laughter]1 hour, 39 minutes, 58 seconds
No. Um but I'll tell the we got jerked around. Our intel changed last minute.1 hour, 40 minutes, 4 seconds
Uh our location changed. There was a lot of bad things that were going on rhythmically that didn't smell right,1 hour, 40 minutes, 10 seconds
but we kept putting one foot in in front of the other. And you almost have to at that point whether you're playing along or not because you need to play along to1 hour, 40 minutes, 19 seconds
gather in to do interrogation of what traps are being laid in front of you.1 hour, 40 minutes, 25 seconds
Just hope you don't fall in them because that's helpful information. When you say they are using you for plausible deniability just to sever the hidden1 hour, 40 minutes, 34 seconds
hand, can you say anything more about that?1 hour, 40 minutes, 37 seconds
Yeah. Um, it was believed that there was evidence of1 hour, 40 minutes, 44 seconds
crash retrievalss that um were proof of criminal activity1 hour, 40 minutes, 52 seconds
on these Toughbooks and that this data was1 hour, 40 minutes, 59 seconds
captured illegally on operations within the program in the desert and that there was a whistleblower or group of1 hour, 41 minutes, 8 seconds
whistleblowers that were going to be turning this evidence in um to the powers that be in order to1 hour, 41 minutes, 17 seconds
uh expose the program and thereby doing that expose individuals. So this is you1 hour, 41 minutes, 25 seconds
know everyone likes to ask like why why are you talking right now? Are you aren't you afraid for your life? How come people haven't been killed? And I'll tell you why. There's a couple1 hour, 41 minutes, 34 seconds
reasons. one, why am I not afraid that someone's going to try and silence me with death? Well, um, first of all, if1 hour, 41 minutes, 42 seconds
they if they wanted to and were capable of doing it, if they had the will and skill to do it, they would have done it already. They also like Lou wouldn't be1 hour, 41 minutes, 51 seconds
here, Dave wouldn't be here, I wouldn't be here, they would have done it already.1 hour, 41 minutes, 54 seconds
I I pray that you are right. Just to play devil's advocate for a second, Lou1 hour, 42 minutes, 1 second
and Dave are of different class than you. You you've you've touched the metal, so to speak.1 hour, 42 minutes, 9 seconds
Maybe not the craft itself, but you are as close as it gets to the actual retrieval.1 hour, 42 minutes, 14 seconds
But why does that why would that make me any more of a target?1 hour, 42 minutes, 17 seconds
Well, there's always the ability to stigmatize somebody. I like I know Dave and I find him beyond reproach, but there's always the ability to hang on.1 hour, 42 minutes, 26 seconds
this guy's just this intel guy. He's gathered a bunch of secondhand information and it's what people use to detract from his testimony right now. Yeah.1 hour, 42 minutes, 33 seconds
With you, I think it's kind of hard if you were to just just listen to everything you've said today.1 hour, 42 minutes, 41 seconds
It's tough to to to deny. Well, and that comes down to the will.1 hour, 42 minutes, 45 seconds
So, I say it's two things that keep you alive or kill you is there has to be intent and capability. I call it will and skill. So, there has to be a will to1 hour, 42 minutes, 53 seconds
to take me out. There has to be the skill, the ability to do it. So why is there the will is going to come from this place. It's it's not going to come1 hour, 43 minutes, 2 seconds
from the what everyone thinks is a national security issue. We need to hide this stuff. Where that's going to come from is from individuals within the1 hour, 43 minutes, 11 seconds
organization or who have been involved in any part of these activities who have committed crimes and wants to cover1 hour, 43 minutes, 18 seconds
their ass. they will do anything to protect themselves which includes taking1 hour, 43 minutes, 24 seconds
out other people wet works. Um and so that that that makes for a very narrow1 hour, 43 minutes, 33 seconds
group of folks that might at least have the will to do that. Um and you can kind1 hour, 43 minutes, 39 seconds
of smoke those people out. Uh skill is the other one like who's actually going to facilitate this and1 hour, 43 minutes, 47 seconds
how will that be facilitated? There are some sneaky ways to do it. There are some more blatant like brute force ways to do it. Um,1 hour, 43 minutes, 55 seconds
you don't want to show up at my house uh and think you're going to be successful with brute force because that's going to1 hour, 44 minutes, 3 seconds
go south for you really quickly or you don't want to approach me anywhere in public. Like you're going to you're going to have to really do something creative. Um, because1 hour, 44 minutes, 12 seconds
I'm not afraid of the boogeyman. I am the boogeyman. So, you better bring it.1 hour, 44 minutes, 18 seconds
Uh, but that doesn't that's a lot of talk when you have wife and kids. So, uh I'm not here to bring that on. Um,1 hour, 44 minutes, 27 seconds
but there there is not it hasn't been shown that anyone has1 hour, 44 minutes, 34 seconds
the will and skill to do it or they would have already for me. Um, and I think there are more1 hour, 44 minutes, 41 seconds
good guys out on this side than there are bad, even at the at the high level.1 hour, 44 minutes, 46 seconds
Now, that all being said, I do know for a fact that um1 hour, 44 minutes, 53 seconds
there are leadership within uh entities that I work for and with1 hour, 45 minutes, 2 seconds
that have called for wet works. And there are people that have died under very suspicious circumstances at the1 hour, 45 minutes, 11 seconds
most convenient time for those who would want to have them silenced who were coming out and who were speaking out on our activities.1 hour, 45 minutes, 18 seconds
Anybody you know? Yes. Can you say anything more?1 hour, 45 minutes, 22 seconds
No, because there's an investigation um happening right now uh and they're they're looking into it.1 hour, 45 minutes, 30 seconds
That's scary, man.1 hour, 45 minutes, 31 seconds
It is very scary. But so when we realized we were being compromised, I sent everybody home and I we began to do1 hour, 45 minutes, 39 seconds
our own operation. And I wanted to know if this came from the very top. Was the1 hour, 45 minutes, 46 seconds
top of our organization either complicit in this attempt to sever the hidden hand, which is us, or1 hour, 45 minutes, 55 seconds
were they compromised? Because there's the only two options. Um,1 hour, 46 minutes
do you feel now like you have the proper protection in place? Because I think1 hour, 46 minutes, 7 seconds
from an American national security standpoint, if you have these different thieftdoms where the left hand isn't talking to the right hand, you have overcompartmentalization.1 hour, 46 minutes, 15 seconds
Yeah.1 hour, 46 minutes, 15 seconds
You have all this knowledge locked up in these disperate pockets and you're competing with China and Russia that it's actually maladaptive from a1 hour, 46 minutes, 24 seconds
national security standpoint. So, is somebody in authority saying, you know,1 hour, 46 minutes, 27 seconds
I see this Jake guy, he's actually acting in the best interest of the country. Let's protect him. Yes. In order to come out.1 hour, 46 minutes, 36 seconds
Yeah. And now that takes us to Congress because when I went to the director of security and realized he didn't have my1 hour, 46 minutes, 43 seconds
back. I realized I couldn't trust my nebulous network anymore. Um,1 hour, 46 minutes, 50 seconds
then I was at a loss and I was left with the one like emergency button that I always thought I had and I punched it1 hour, 46 minutes, 59 seconds
and that was to go to Congress to go to the Senate Intelligence Committee and go to the Monitor for CIA and spill my guts1 hour, 47 minutes, 7 seconds
and go, "Help me, help me, help me. This is what's happened." Like, help. Um,1 hour, 47 minutes, 13 seconds
that was probably one of the most discouraging experiences of my life because within minutes of being there and asking for help,1 hour, 47 minutes, 22 seconds
they were begging for my help.1 hour, 47 minutes, 24 seconds
Interesting. Like they didn't understand what was going on. They had no handle on it.1 hour, 47 minutes, 29 seconds
No, they were they were being bullied and being harassed at their homes and were scared for their life and wanted me1 hour, 47 minutes, 36 seconds
to set up a personal protection detail to help protect them. And I was like,1 hour, 47 minutes, 42 seconds
fine, [ __ ] I guess this is where we're going with it.1 hour, 47 minutes, 44 seconds
So, are there are there rumor because the long-standing rumors are that this is run by the CIA that in 52 you had1 hour, 47 minutes, 52 seconds
public facing UFO UFO research in the form of blue book, this sort of, you know, public relations effort cleave off1 hour, 48 minutes
from the more vital organization actually studying this stuff. And that was the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence in collaboration with Patel1 hour, 48 minutes, 7 seconds
Memorial Institute, the Atomic Energy Commission. And then even up until today, you have Chris Sharp writing a great article for the Liberation Times.1 hour, 48 minutes, 15 seconds
He's talking about kind of the the chain of command for the UFO program,1 hour, 48 minutes, 19 seconds
and he cites Glenn Gaffne as the CIA's director of science and technology as being kind of one of the primary gatekeepers of the legacy UFO program.1 hour, 48 minutes, 27 seconds
So when you go to them and you say all this crazy stuff is happening and it's super disorganized and it's, you know,1 hour, 48 minutes, 34 seconds
kind of unethical. Are they they're really just completely unaware? You mean Congress? No, I mean the CIA.1 hour, 48 minutes, 40 seconds
CIA. You So what's happening? Because there are multiple programs and multiple coverups happening all at the same time.1 hour, 48 minutes, 46 seconds
Everyone's not everyone but there that's the biggest misunderstanding that1 hour, 48 minutes, 54 seconds
everyone would benefit from um resolving is this is not that1 hour, 49 minutes, 2 seconds
organized and it's not um there's not that much synergy at play. And why1 hour, 49 minutes, 10 seconds
why I I know it's valuable that I'm here today is like I have I'm like the fingertips like I'm out here at the and1 hour, 49 minutes, 18 seconds
I'm like we're touching it. We're the grassroots on the ground interacting with crash recovery. Not reverse engineering. That's a different group.1 hour, 49 minutes, 26 seconds
But all we've heard from is like like say the the shoulder joint like the head of this thing.1 hour, 49 minutes, 31 seconds
Yeah. Um, but the shoulder has no idea what's going on at the fingertips. And you could get to the elbow and you could have some corruption and misdirection1 hour, 49 minutes, 39 seconds
here that's like that's like changing the direction and energy that's being sent down to the fingertips and vice versa. There isn't stuff going up down.1 hour, 49 minutes, 49 seconds
Um,1 hour, 49 minutes, 50 seconds
so it's this like gangly octopus of an organization. It's not this monolith.1 hour, 49 minutes, 55 seconds
No, it's not. And just think about it like we give it too much credit in that regard. Like how in the world could you manage1 hour, 50 minutes, 3 seconds
like hundreds of thousands of humans first of all with all their flaws and instincts who are trained as the number1 hour, 50 minutes, 10 seconds
one trained that the number one rule is deception and so they're all being deceiving and like there this supposed1 hour, 50 minutes, 18 seconds
to be some big organization that works together and then the detractors are going to say why haven't there been more whistleblowers and then I think that the1 hour, 50 minutes, 26 seconds
answer is there have been Steven Greer has database of hundreds of whistleblowers.1 hour, 50 minutes, 32 seconds
Well, I this is where I I I just want to say something. I think for for people who who may be sitting in your position because they're watching this, Jake,1 hour, 50 minutes, 39 seconds
they're watching this and they might be thinking about going through what you're going through. Is there anything you'd say to them?1 hour, 50 minutes, 49 seconds
Yeah, you know,1 hour, 50 minutes, 52 seconds
it's a problem and it's sad, but our Congress is not in control. They are completely1 hour, 51 minutes
they're ignorant and neutered when it comes to the subject matter for the most part. They're ignorant and neutered. And where they're not ignorant and neutered,1 hour, 51 minutes, 8 seconds
they're corrupt and arrogant, which nets us a Congress that's in a state of paralysis by analysis. And I can't tell1 hour, 51 minutes, 14 seconds
you like for me how sinking a feeling that was. Like I go running and I I'm1 hour, 51 minutes, 22 seconds
I'm nervous cuz I'm going to blow the whistle. The first place I go is the Senate Intelligence Committee and the1 hour, 51 minutes, 29 seconds
monitor for CIA. And I start telling my story. They don't question it for one second. They know it's happening.1 hour, 51 minutes, 37 seconds
They're like they're they're they're they're edifying everything I'm saying and trying to cut me off because they're1 hour, 51 minutes, 44 seconds
so like excited to actually get to talk about this and are like, "Oh my god, so what do I do?" And they're like, "Uh, give me your number. Do you have signal?1 hour, 51 minutes, 53 seconds
I need to text you. These guys are at my house last night." And I'm like, "Wait a minute." This was my asking for help moment. My fellow citizens,1 hour, 52 minutes, 1 second
today we celebrate the mystery of American renewal. I know that my experience, it's no coincidence that it1 hour, 52 minutes, 10 seconds
happened during the Clinton era and the path that I took was something that was heavily influenced by the fact that the1 hour, 52 minutes, 19 seconds
Clintons were in office and that when Clinton took office, he was I think uh1 hour, 52 minutes, 25 seconds
surprised to find out that he was um never intended to be a part of theChapter 16: The Clinton Era and Disclosure
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leadership structure he was ostensibly in control of and knew that he was surrounded by lies and limited by laws and quickly took an interest in the1 hour, 52 minutes, 41 seconds
subject and when he couldn't get answers um started taking action and uh I think1 hour, 52 minutes, 48 seconds
our whatever I ended up doing was was related to that and was part of the1 hour, 52 minutes, 56 seconds
pressure that was put on the DoD to maybe even create like a red team to infiltrate the black team and get into1 hour, 53 minutes, 3 seconds
the programs and then report back through our leadership structure as to what's really going on.1 hour, 53 minutes, 9 seconds
Couple of interesting data points around that. Uh Hillary Clinton, there's a picture of her at Camp David and I think1 hour, 53 minutes, 16 seconds
she had met with Lawrence Rockefeller who was really interested in UFO disclosure and she's holding this book by this physicist Paul Davies and it's are we alone?1 hour, 53 minutes, 25 seconds
And clearly she was getting into the topic of UFO disclosure. And then uh John Podesta who is their chief of staff has been a major major proponent of disclosure for the last two decades.1 hour, 53 minutes, 37 seconds
Yeah. And uh if you look at the timing I I'll tell you it's probably no coincidence that when Hillary was1 hour, 53 minutes, 44 seconds
running for president that that there's a correlation in timing with the standing up of ATIP and what led to the1 hour, 53 minutes, 51 seconds
New York Times article and there are things there. I think the Clintons have always wanted to be involved with1 hour, 54 minutes
disclosure and I and and as much as everyone likes to vilify them, I don't think there's any real probably isn't as1 hour, 54 minutes, 8 seconds
much of like a a self-serving reason other than like a general curiosity. I don't think it's a power grab to want to take it. It doesn't seem to be any real1 hour, 54 minutes, 17 seconds
benefit to being a politician associated with the disclosure. Um, but yeah, the the1 hour, 54 minutes, 25 seconds
from just my experiences and people I've talked to that are in the no on probably a little bit more than the average person, uh, the Clintons have definitely1 hour, 54 minutes, 35 seconds
been key individuals and have initiated some some efforts that are proisclosure.1 hour, 54 minutes, 42 seconds
Trump is now promising a whole new era of disclosure. Obviously, the proverbally famous example would be the1 hour, 54 minutes, 49 seconds
JFK case. Was that somewhat of an inside job? Are there any details that we have that are classified that the public1 hour, 54 minutes, 56 seconds
should should know? I guess a couple of questions there. Do you think UFOs get deprioritized because they're spending all the political capital on these otherChapter 17: JFK and UFO Connections
1 hour, 55 minutes, 5 seconds
disclosures or are there kind of as rumored ball and chain dynamics where if you get JFK disclosure, you actually find out that1 hour, 55 minutes, 13 seconds
his interest in UFOs might have something to do with his assassination?1 hour, 55 minutes, 18 seconds
Again, anyone could just do their homework. I think if you went out and you really looked at the information that's already been released and its credibility related to the JFK issue,1 hour, 55 minutes, 26 seconds
there's clearly some ties. You look at the timeline um of what was going on at the time. When you look at the evolution1 hour, 55 minutes, 34 seconds
of this subject and how our government reacted to events of the 1940s and 50s1 hour, 55 minutes, 41 seconds
and 60s, it makes a lot of sense. uh and it seems to be the best um the best1 hour, 55 minutes, 49 seconds
theory and the fact that we might find out with Trump uh is exciting but I1 hour, 55 minutes, 55 seconds
sense hesitation even from him um if Cash Patel gets put as the director of FBI it seems like like he certainly well1 hour, 56 minutes, 4 seconds
as one read in on everything um but is motivated to share and when I see him1 hour, 56 minutes, 11 seconds
speaking cryptically about it recently on the clip we talked about.1 hour, 56 minutes, 15 seconds
You're talking to a guy that's read the entire JFK file. The things that we can't release have nothing to do with the questions you guys are asking. The1 hour, 56 minutes, 23 seconds
answers you guys want pretty much have them. There is very1 hour, 56 minutes, 30 seconds
minimal stuff that can't be seen from things that you wouldn't even think are related to them.1 hour, 56 minutes, 38 seconds
If you if you weren't connected to this subject matter, you might not pick up on it. But what I hear him saying cryptically is that the JFK assassination is linked to the UAP topic.1 hour, 56 minutes, 47 seconds
And we have a lot of other corroborative data on that. Uh maybe the most important piece of data is a guy named1 hour, 56 minutes, 55 seconds
Harold Malmgroom who was a presidential adviser for four different presidents uh JFK, LBJ, Nixon, and Ford. And he says1 hour, 57 minutes, 4 seconds
that there was this bluegill triple prime test in Johnston at Toll, so in the South Pacific, uh, Marshall Islands,1 hour, 57 minutes, 11 seconds
and that you could even see in that the deck logs from this this test, uh,1 hour, 57 minutes, 16 seconds
Bluegill Triple Prime, that this anomalous material fell out of the plume of this nuclear blast. That UFO material1 hour, 57 minutes, 24 seconds
was taken to the Atomic Energy Commission's Albuquerque outfit. And Lawrence P. G, who's actually Jeff1 hour, 57 minutes, 30 seconds
Bezos's maternal grandfather, was actually the director at the time, and Harold Malgrim, who is on on behalf of JFK, is taken to Los Alamos. And then,Chapter 18: The Need for Accountability
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uh, uh, JFK comes like a month later and gets woken up on the UFO issue, and then you have this letter of kind of1 hour, 57 minutes, 49 seconds
controversial provenence, but we should really look into this and figure out if this is real, where he's writing to John McCone, who is the new CIA director. he1 hour, 57 minutes, 58 seconds
had just fired Dulles and he's saying we actually need to coordinate with the Russians or the Soviets on UFOs because1 hour, 58 minutes, 5 seconds
we want to make sure that they're not uh uh mistaking these UFOs for acts of American aggression because they're flying around sensitive airspace. Um, so I think a lot of actually, you know,1 hour, 58 minutes, 16 seconds
research lines up to to make one believe that JFK did have Yeah. I mean, all that makes sense, but when you try and tie it to motive to1 hour, 58 minutes, 26 seconds
shoot him in the head in a public place like that's like what why why would you go that far?1 hour, 58 minutes, 31 seconds
Well, I think it was a medly a probably not the primary reason. He was also trying to defang the nuclear arsenal and you had guys like Dulles saying, you1 hour, 58 minutes, 38 seconds
know, it was an act of patriotism to take him out. Okay. So, but you have all these disclosures visav Trump. Uh, who should Trump empower? You know,1 hour, 58 minutes, 47 seconds
there talks of a UAP ZAR. Should somebody be in charge here?1 hour, 58 minutes, 51 seconds
I first of all, I love the idea of Tulsi Gabbard is DNI. Cash Patel is fantastic.1 hour, 58 minutes, 59 seconds
Like, it's really exciting. I mean,1 hour, 59 minutes
people can say what they want about Trump, but the people he's surrounding himself with and what their intentions seem to be are really encouraging. AndChapter 19: Witnesses and Whistleblowers
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if you need a guy to clean house, like dude, all he needs to do is if he could just give Dave a hunting license to to1 hour, 59 minutes, 16 seconds
go after those who uh might have something to share. Like it would clear up a lot. Like Dave Dave Grush. Yeah.1 hour, 59 minutes, 24 seconds
Like Dave's your guy. He he knows what's going on and u he knows where the bodies are buried. He knows where the bodies are buried.1 hour, 59 minutes, 31 seconds
Yeah. And um there we do need some accountability if not only to so that it1 hour, 59 minutes, 38 seconds
doesn't repeat itself like I don't believe in vengeance but I believe in justice and that's the subtle difference.1 hour, 59 minutes, 44 seconds
He and Carl Nell who is just kind of gigabrain uh next level historical phil philosophical thinker and and and just1 hour, 59 minutes, 53 seconds
also very high integrity guy. So Mr. Gres finally do you believe that our government is in possession of UAPs? Uh,1 hour, 59 minutes, 59 seconds
absolutely. Based on interviewing uh over 40 witnesses over four years,2 hours, 4 seconds
are you one of David Grush's 40 firsthand witnesses that he says he presented to the uh intelligence community inspector general Thomas Manheim?2 hours, 13 seconds
No, Dave and I met after his initial complaint was filed with the ICIG and uh2 hours, 20 seconds
those guys represented a set I I don't know the 40. I know of some of them. Um,2 hours, 28 seconds
one of them is the guy who's no longer with us. Um,2 hours, 34 seconds
whose demise was was quite conveniently timed for those who might have something to do with it. But, uh,2 hours, 42 seconds
sorry, I didn't mean to go there with it, but um, no, those were that was a different group. I'm part of a new group that met Dave in this process. You know,2 hours, 52 seconds
we were I didn't know what Dave was doing at the same time we were doing it.2 hours, 57 seconds
Like we were going through the Doppser process at about the same time. Um and we were experiencing our whistleblower transition about the same time Dave was.2 hours, 1 minute, 5 seconds
Like it was weird. Like we were both it was both happening at the same time but completely different. You got to remember like Dave is way up here at the shoulder like the high-end2 hours, 1 minute, 14 seconds
administrative end of the Intel and the government's uh program. I'm down here on the fingertips trying to figure out2 hours, 1 minute, 22 seconds
what's going on. And we ended up meeting in the middle, you know, in this effort.2 hours, 1 minute, 26 seconds
And we should preface this for the audience. What is what is DOPSR?2 hours, 1 minute, 29 seconds
So DOPSR is the Department of Defense uh review process. It stands for um2 hours, 1 minute, 37 seconds
department Department of Defense pre-publication and security review. So,2 hours, 1 minute, 41 seconds
because I held a clearance at one point and because I worked uh for the Department of Defense, anything I say2 hours, 1 minute, 49 seconds
publicly, whether it's written or uh any oral form, written or spoken or videoed2 hours, 1 minute, 58 seconds
or recorded in any way, I has to go through this process. And then what it does allows the DoD and certain offices2 hours, 2 minutes, 7 seconds
within DoD to review what I plan on sharing and uh strike it down if they think it puts if it risks um operational security for any of them.2 hours, 2 minutes, 17 seconds
Any specific knowledge I garnered when I was on the other side of the door. If I want to talk about that publicly,2 hours, 2 minutes, 24 seconds
everybody who's has had a job like I have has to submit it to a thing called Doppser at the Pentagon DoD pre-ublication and security review. You know, even if it's about this stuff,2 hours, 2 minutes, 34 seconds
how the hell did you get approval to speak to us today through Doppser through the the DoD pre-publication2 hours, 2 minutes, 42 seconds
approvals? I mean, the stuff you're saying is pretty intense. Yeah. And why are they letting you?2 hours, 2 minutes, 48 seconds
This is a great question because this is going to help people understand pretty much why I answered the last question the way I did in previous answers is2 hours, 2 minutes, 56 seconds
that the Doppser Doppser process is somewhat laughable from what its2 hours, 3 minutes, 4 seconds
intent is. First of all, you have to understand that people like me have become so compartmentalized that we've become detached.2 hours, 3 minutes, 12 seconds
There isn't even knowledge of some of the things that we have done.2 hours, 3 minutes, 17 seconds
um that that sit at a level uh of availability to people tasked with2 hours, 3 minutes, 26 seconds
publication review at the Department of Defense that they could find and get their hands through and go, "Oh yes,Chapter 20: Red Teaming DOPSR
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like everyone again thinks of this in way too organized of a fashion." And I can maybe there's a good time. This will help you understand the dopster process because I'll tell you exactly how we2 hours, 3 minutes, 40 seconds
manipulated it. um when we decided to come forward um and we2 hours, 3 minutes, 47 seconds
again that was because we had some concerns about who we worked for and their intentions and whether or not we were in trouble and we're going to get2 hours, 3 minutes, 54 seconds
severed is the hidden hand. uh we decided to query and run an interrogation of the Department of2 hours, 4 minutes, 3 seconds
Defense and its private partners um by writing a historical fiction novel.2 hours, 4 minutes, 12 seconds
So um I call it faction, a mixture of fact and fiction.2 hours, 4 minutes, 19 seconds
Uh we hired a ghostwriter and what we did is we put all of the claims that we wanted to. We wrote out uh we wrote a2 hours, 4 minutes, 28 seconds
120,000word manuscript and submitted it in pieces to the dopster process starting with the2 hours, 4 minutes, 36 seconds
first 20 pages which was like 12,000 words. Um and our goal with this process was to it was essentially red team2 hours, 4 minutes, 43 seconds
theopster process to expose who subject matter experts are they call themmemes2 hours, 4 minutes, 50 seconds
and determine from that thosememes um trying to lay out some form of map as to who's actually in control of this2 hours, 4 minutes, 59 seconds
thing who cares about what information and why and then begin to either push harder and assume that when we hit walls2 hours, 5 minutes, 7 seconds
and limitations that secret paths lie on the other edge of those directory and then we can begin to create little fact2 hours, 5 minutes, 15 seconds
islands and try and draw a scaffolding between them. This was all done through our interrogation effort by creating a manuscript of a historical fiction2 hours, 5 minutes, 23 seconds
submitting it to doser. In this process um the first 20 pages we had four categories of information that we2 hours, 5 minutes, 31 seconds
included. [snorts] Uh information A was classified information we knew was classified. we knew was uh classified at2 hours, 5 minutes, 40 seconds
a a high level and that should get triggered and should get shot down,2 hours, 5 minutes, 44 seconds
should get redacted. Um, information B was information that was classified but was so neat to know that it really only2 hours, 5 minutes, 53 seconds
existed within the hearts and minds of the operators that were involved that day. It shouldn't be at an admin level for anyone to find or even once shopped2 hours, 6 minutes, 1 second
out to subject matter experts. It would really, it was a very fine uh attack2 hours, 6 minutes, 8 seconds
that would really precisely illustrate who was concerned with that type of information going public. The third type of information we included in that2 hours, 6 minutes, 17 seconds
manuscript was open- source classified information, which might sound like an oxymoron, but it's not. There is what is2 hours, 6 minutes, 25 seconds
technically considered classified information out on the internet that somehow is leaked out, but context2 hours, 6 minutes, 33 seconds
matters. How and who is using it matters, which kind of plays into why someone like Annie Jacobson or another2 hours, 6 minutes, 41 seconds
art uh author who has published incredible things on the subject matter is not subject to the Doppser process at2 hours, 6 minutes, 49 seconds
all. people like me who have held a clearance and have worked directly for the Department of Defense have to go through that process. And so we used my2 hours, 6 minutes, 58 seconds
that as a basis. We used that as our leverage for them to force them to review it and redact it. Um and then2 hours, 7 minutes, 5 seconds
there was the fourth type of information which was complete fictional liberty.2 hours, 7 minutes, 10 seconds
And what we did here is we speculated on the who, what, why, and when of of the broader picture outside what we knew2 hours, 7 minutes, 19 seconds
through our own um compartmented information and our need to know facts.2 hours, 7 minutes, 25 seconds
And then we draw what we thought were likely reasons and filled in around those facts and connected them to other2 hours, 7 minutes, 32 seconds
and we went fishing to see if we could touch on something that was classified and get it redacted. um and then therefore point towardsmemes.2 hours, 7 minutes, 41 seconds
Um in doing this process we submitted it took 6 months to get 20 pages back and we had seven pages of redactions from all four categories.2 hours, 7 minutes, 51 seconds
Wow. Um and we knew we were on like game on.2 hours, 7 minutes, 54 seconds
And so you know they were stuck. They can't they can't have a poker face. They so they're stuck in this situation where2 hours, 8 minutes, 1 second
by not redacting something it passes through and now it's open source. um by redacting something they are indirectly2 hours, 8 minutes, 10 seconds
validating that it is sensitive and it is classified. It did really happen and someone's concerned about it. Um there is a counterplay though and that would2 hours, 8 minutes, 18 seconds
be to intentionally allow something that was classified to get out under the context of a fictional novel and2 hours, 8 minutes, 27 seconds
therefore internally sealing it with the stamp of the creative writings of a fictional author. Boom. Gone. And now2 hours, 8 minutes, 35 seconds
something that's reality has now spun into uh fantasy and that's where it lives in the public domain. Um and2 hours, 8 minutes, 44 seconds
that's a strategy that that we use um commonly. I I call it um or I'll say the best place to hide the truth is in a pile of horseshit.2 hours, 8 minutes, 53 seconds
Yep.2 hours, 8 minutes, 54 seconds
And that's the best place to deal with it.2 hours, 8 minutes, 55 seconds
Orin, you know, goes back to Plato where he writes the Republic and he says, uh everything I'm about to tell you is a lie. And then he sort of writes this2 hours, 9 minutes, 4 seconds
like profound, beautiful like musing on like the ideal state but also with some metaphysical implications. Yeah.2 hours, 9 minutes, 11 seconds
And I think a lot of UFO history is hidden in plain sight visav these fiction books. So you have uh Tom Dong2 hours, 9 minutes, 19 seconds
uh Blink 182 frontman writing with Peter Levvena and AJ Hartley this this whole series of I would say historical faction where2 hours, 9 minutes, 28 seconds
he's dealing with executives at Loheed Martin and other places and writing about crash retrievals and other things.Chapter 21: The Strategy Behind Disclosure
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You have another guy named Chase Brandon who's a CIA liaison to Hollywood. He wrote a great book called Crypto's Conundrum. Yeah.2 hours, 9 minutes, 41 seconds
Which I believe has some you know real real truth in it. And so this is an age-old uh strategy and it sounds like you redteamed Doppser pretty effectively.2 hours, 9 minutes, 51 seconds
Yeah. Yeah, it worked. And they spit it out. And what was funny is they they didn't like they're like, "Well, our our2 hours, 9 minutes, 58 seconds
purpose in only submitting 20 pages at the time is we wanted an opportunity to evaluate2 hours, 10 minutes, 6 seconds
and react and then rewrite the subsequent chapters to probe for more redactions2 hours, 10 minutes, 12 seconds
or to probe for more um willing uh willing allowances of classified2 hours, 10 minutes, 21 seconds
information. and they caught on to us and said, "We're done. You have to submit your whole manuscript." And we were like, "No, the these we're writing2 hours, 10 minutes, 30 seconds
like a series." And it's like, "Consider this whole thing uh uh a series and these are episodes. We are going to2 hours, 10 minutes, 38 seconds
release only 20 pages at a time. Do you want us to release it without it being reviewed?" Well, no, no, no. Okay. Well,2 hours, 10 minutes, 43 seconds
then we need you to review it and then we'll give you the next 20 pages because that's actually this isn't one book.2 hours, 10 minutes, 48 seconds
We're going to release it four months later. So, you know, you're in the driver's seat in that regard because they kind of paint themselves into this2 hours, 10 minutes, 55 seconds
corner with the way they work. And then you can use that against them, which is a red team 101 situation.2 hours, 11 minutes
And there's no distinction for them between fact and fiction where once it's past Doppser, you can now say actually2 hours, 11 minutes, 7 seconds
this was fact because you passed it under the veneer of fiction. You can still now say this is fact.2 hours, 11 minutes, 12 seconds
And it's and its context is king. So it's like what because there are things that got redacted like I said that's open source. I cannot talk at length2 hours, 11 minutes, 21 seconds
about organizations I worked for when I was enlisted. Even though like I just told you everything about what I did and2 hours, 11 minutes, 30 seconds
where I was stationed and everybody knows the history of who's there and what's there. I can't I can't utter the words. I can't talk to you about my2 hours, 11 minutes, 37 seconds
recruitment process at length and how I ended up where I did because that's2 hours, 11 minutes, 43 seconds
that's redacted as well. Um, but this is this is why it's confusing and why Dave2 hours, 11 minutes, 50 seconds
can say we have multiple downcraft and have collected dead pilots and like why2 hours, 11 minutes, 57 seconds
could you say that? It's because when it goes in to do sir they distribute they do their they the people at the front2 hours, 12 minutes, 6 seconds
read through and they do their best job to disseminate oh who should we ask about who should care. Another thing that happens is like nobody wants to touch that [ __ ] with a 10-fold pole. No,2 hours, 12 minutes, 15 seconds
no office wants to be the guy that says,2 hours, 12 minutes, 17 seconds
"Oh yeah, I have a problem with Dave saying biologics." It's like you want to pop your head up and like be the theme that has a problem with biologics. Also,2 hours, 12 minutes, 28 seconds
people that may have had a problem with it, this has to do with turnover and generations existing within these ancient organizations. like the fact that this has been going on for 702 hours, 12 minutes, 36 seconds
years. Like the people who head whose heads need to roll may not even be alive anymore and someone else2 hours, 12 minutes, 44 seconds
has taken that position. So this kind of gives them an easy way out. They're not having to come clean and confess the2 hours, 12 minutes, 52 seconds
sins of their forefathers. All they have to do is allow classified information to not be redacted through the Doppser2 hours, 12 minutes, 59 seconds
process and they just got disclosure. So from this angle I think disclosure is almost on us to realize aha they're2 hours, 13 minutes, 8 seconds
giving us a sign departments and you can't think of the DoD or the DOPs process again is this you people overcredit the organizational2 hours, 13 minutes, 16 seconds
and the synergy of these institutions the three-letter agencies don't mean [ __ ] like this may be the way the2 hours, 13 minutes, 23 seconds
government's only way to disclose is to like I can't say it but you can ask me question ask me a yes or no question ask me if something is true and I won't say no. And that's kind of where we're at.2 hours, 13 minutes, 34 seconds
So, we need I think the Dobster process is one of the keys to disclosure. Like,2 hours, 13 minutes, 39 seconds
let's keep submitting documents and get this stuff out. The NHI does not respect the monopoly the US government thinks it has on this subject. And there are2 hours, 13 minutes, 48 seconds
organizations worldwide that understand that uh that it's a worthwhile investment. They're not waiting on2 hours, 13 minutes, 57 seconds
offices like Arrow or the president of the United States to tell them they should spend time and money on this.2 hours, 14 minutes, 1 second
It's being done. And there are there are global crash recovery and reverse engineering programs um outside the US.2 hours, 14 minutes, 8 seconds
And I'm not referring to just governments. I'm referring to hybrid organizations, organizations that are extra governmental. Listen, I'm not here2 hours, 14 minutes, 18 seconds
to make anyone believe anything. Like belief is a very personal thing. It's very personal. And the problem with this2 hours, 14 minutes, 26 seconds
subject matter is well one it's very it's very intense because it carries such profound2 hours, 14 minutes, 34 seconds
implications. I don't know that we have any more or less proof per se on this subject for the general public than weChapter 22: Belief in Non-Human Intelligences
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do other things that we probably accept more broadly than this subject. But it's because of the implications of this that people want to draw very hard lines on2 hours, 14 minutes, 50 seconds
it. But man, if I think a good place to start is to humble yourself for for everyone that's getting exposed to this right now, humble yourself from the2 hours, 14 minutes, 58 seconds
perspective of what you consider believable. And I think a good measure or question to ask is like, how much do we currently take2 hours, 15 minutes, 6 seconds
wholeheartedly and believe in that we act on every day? If I was asking you to remove everything from your life that2 hours, 15 minutes, 13 seconds
you believe because someone else told you or you read somewhere or were taught that you don't have firsthand experience with, you'd be paralyzed and speechless.2 hours, 15 minutes, 22 seconds
You wouldn't be able to function. You wouldn't get out of your house.2 hours, 15 minutes, 24 seconds
If everybody had radical cartisian doubt where it was like I don't even know that that's a chair or you know what you're saying is real or whatever. It you2 hours, 15 minutes, 32 seconds
wouldn't be able to function. You wouldn't be able to operate.2 hours, 15 minutes, 34 seconds
And this is where I just give up on trying to make people believe anything.2 hours, 15 minutes, 37 seconds
Like I don't have time for that. Like I'm over it. Like [laughter] this has been my life for a long time. Like I've got [ __ ] to do and I have things I'm2 hours, 15 minutes, 45 seconds
trying to I'm like making people believe is is not does not interest me.2 hours, 15 minutes, 49 seconds
Well, it's extremely easy to sway the public in various ways and put put guard rails on their thinking without them even knowing it. Yeah.2 hours, 15 minutes, 59 seconds
And so there's, you know, good critical thinking, you know, this guy Thomas Bae,2 hours, 16 minutes, 2 seconds
a statistician from England, the 18th century, basian basian thought, Beijian reasoning.2 hours, 16 minutes, 8 seconds
And it's like new data that you get should be evaluated in the context of your prior database.2 hours, 16 minutes, 14 seconds
And if your prior database is like every time you hear the word UFO, you think snake oil, you think I'm going to throw it in the junk pile, you're building a2 hours, 16 minutes, 22 seconds
bad data set. Like that's actually bad critical thinking. Yes. And if you were just open-minded and you read, you know,2 hours, 16 minutes, 27 seconds
this great book, UFOs and Nukes, which nobody can read, who I recommended to because it's so dry and hard-headed and it's 580 pages,2 hours, 16 minutes, 34 seconds
I think you have to come out with some sort of base case around UFOs being real and at least at the very least worthy of investigation.2 hours, 16 minutes, 44 seconds
Yeah. I would say the least credible thing in the equation is most people's basis for belief.2 hours, 16 minutes, 51 seconds
What do you mean by that? That's the least credible thing is their their basis for belief is not a reasonable2 hours, 16 minutes, 59 seconds
is they're not taking a reasonable approach to their criteria for belief.2 hours, 17 minutes, 3 seconds
Their criteria for that is based on well what are you basing that on? Like what research have you done? That's right.2 hours, 17 minutes, 9 seconds
How have you disseminated fact from fiction to arrive at your current understanding? How do you know you haven't been subliminally programmed to2 hours, 17 minutes, 18 seconds
be desensitized to one things and hypers sensitized in a negative fashion to others? And you probably have. So you2 hours, 17 minutes, 25 seconds
need to be thrown out as someone who should be making decisions for what you believe because your perspective is [ __ ] It's funny to see after this2 hours, 17 minutes, 34 seconds
Shawn Ryan story coming out, this Las Vegas bomber, Cyber Truck bomber in front of the Trump Tower, this bizarre like I don't know how to describe it.2 hours, 17 minutes, 43 seconds
It's like this meme warfare act. It's it's hard to, you [clears throat] know,2 hours, 17 minutes, 46 seconds
really understand and comprehend. And then you have this guy going on Sean Ryan uh Shoemate saying that he received an email from the Green Beret himself,2 hours, 17 minutes, 55 seconds
the bomber,2 hours, 17 minutes, 56 seconds
saying that basically there are Chinese gravitic drones flying over the eastern seabboard that could, if this is true,2 hours, 18 minutes, 5 seconds
the payload delivery involved in these warp driveic drones could vaporize New York City or Washington DC at the drop2 hours, 18 minutes, 12 seconds
of a hat. And so this is what's I I find fascinating, bring it back to the whole like, you know, critical thinking thing.2 hours, 18 minutes, 19 seconds
I've had more high-powered Silicon Valley people hit me up about, oh, anti-gravity might be real. After that,2 hours, 18 minutes, 28 seconds
it's was just generically popular. Yeah.2 hours, 18 minutes, 30 seconds
And because of that, you have people who honestly I respect in many other contexts as far as their ability to operate, make money, and do really cool things in the world2 hours, 18 minutes, 38 seconds
coming to me being like, "Oh, maybe the stuff you did on Towns and Brown anti-gravity is real." It came it came into focus in a place they were already2 hours, 18 minutes, 45 seconds
directing their attention rather than their intention being brought into where these facts exist anyway. It's just all hypnosis and magic tricks.2 hours, 18 minutes, 53 seconds
It is. Yeah.2 hours, 18 minutes, 54 seconds
Yeah. The Shawn Ryan thing has really been hell for us the last two to three weeks. Like it um that's really touched our community and there's a lot of ties2 hours, 19 minutes, 2 seconds
to that and and our our group of of friends, let's say. And uh that's been something else and it's it's a hot2 hours, 19 minutes, 11 seconds
topic. you know, the you touching on the New Jersey thing, we were just out there. We were assigned um assigned to2 hours, 19 minutes, 20 seconds
support the DoD and the FBI task force that was trying to be stood up out there uh serving essentially as a hidden hand like we normally are dispatched to try2 hours, 19 minutes, 29 seconds
and come in and offer something in order to declare this a hazard toChapter 23: The New Jersey Drone Incident
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public safety or to find criminal intent or criminal actions. so that the FBI could have a basis. So Jake, what did what did you find out?2 hours, 19 minutes, 44 seconds
Well, that's where I'm going. I'm happy to tell you the entire world is extremely confused. It feels like the highest levels of government are confused as to what is going on.2 hours, 19 minutes, 54 seconds
Okay. You know, our first day there, we got there um we were primarily focused to the activity in and around or above2 hours, 20 minutes, 3 seconds
and around, I should say, Pikatini Arsenal, which is a government weapons um installation. Weapons focused. let's say a weapons centric installation.2 hours, 20 minutes, 12 seconds
First night there on the ground, we get our ops set up and we're watching the skies. We're um organization I work for2 hours, 20 minutes, 20 seconds
now uh one of the founding members of it's called Sky Watcher and we specialize in aerial intelligence. This is completely autonomous and an2 hours, 20 minutes, 28 seconds
independent venture. It's full of uh full of guys like me that have worked in an official capacity for the government.2 hours, 20 minutes, 36 seconds
we've brought our tools and talent and experience and are investing them into this private company and then trying to help the government where we can and2 hours, 20 minutes, 43 seconds
also uh provide a window for the public into this subject and these technologies. So that being said, we2 hours, 20 minutes, 50 seconds
show up in New Jersey first night on location within 30 minutes over Pikatin Arsenal. Wopw all these orange2 hours, 20 minutes, 59 seconds
orbs come into existence right over Pikatini Arsenal. Trying to do time stamps on how long they were there was difficult because it would appeared2 hours, 21 minutes, 6 seconds
about 40 40 45 minutes at a time, which is consistent with some traditional large battery powered drones. But what2 hours, 21 minutes, 15 seconds
we can't tell is if that was the same drone or it was disappearing and reappearing and that2 hours, 21 minutes, 23 seconds
was the sensational language that was used more often. What it could mean is that they were turning their lights off and on and that's why they were2 hours, 21 minutes, 31 seconds
disappearing and reappearing. But, you know, were they only at night?2 hours, 21 minutes, 35 seconds
Only at night for us. It was between like uh 1700 and midnight. So, from 5:00 until about midnight is when we monitored or captured most of the2 hours, 21 minutes, 43 seconds
activity. And so, um, you know, the problem with that whole thing out there is most of the data being collected and2 hours, 21 minutes, 52 seconds
the reports were coming in were from unqualified observers on the ground using visual spectrum. So, what I mean by that is humans looking up with their2 hours, 21 minutes, 59 seconds
eyes and going, "Bro, what's that?" It's also a very busy airspace around there.2 hours, 22 minutes, 4 seconds
So, there's airplanes, there's helicopters. I mean, if you really wanted to red team that situation, what I would have done is I would have put a2 hours, 22 minutes, 11 seconds
bunch of glow sticks and helium balloons and tied them together and then sent them up in the air and watch people just lose their [ __ ] because you you wouldn't been able to discern. And then you shoot2 hours, 22 minutes, 20 seconds
them with, you know, uh, BB guns until they pop and disappear. Like there's so much room for [ __ ] in that situation2 hours, 22 minutes, 27 seconds
that you it's hard to cut through the noise. What we were observing, because we are qualified observers, was not [ __ ] there's something very2 hours, 22 minutes, 35 seconds
concerning over Pikatini Arsenal. So the first thing we looked at was okay, these are probably large like2 hours, 22 minutes, 43 seconds
drones that we know the classes of that are available out there in military inventory and in um some civilian2 hours, 22 minutes, 51 seconds
inventory that was turning off its lights in route and then on RTB and which is illegal. So there's our case2 hours, 23 minutes
for breaking laws right there. If this was in FAA controlled airspace,2 hours, 23 minutes, 5 seconds
when a drone leaves the ground, first of all, uh, UAS, an unmanned aerial system,2 hours, 23 minutes, 10 seconds
has to have all the FAA approved lighting systems that any other aircraft does, and it has to have them on when it leaves the ground. It's also limited.2 hours, 23 minutes, 18 seconds
You have to be a licensed operator and you're not allowed to fly above 400 ft.2 hours, 23 minutes, 21 seconds
These were lights off over 400 feet over Pikatini Arsenal, just sitting there. No one's doing [ __ ] about it. And weren't they sitting there for 5 hours plus some2 hours, 23 minutes, 30 seconds
cases sometimes longer and then so but we still don't know if it was just lights going off or they were popping into2 hours, 23 minutes, 36 seconds
place cuz while this is going on in the airspace south of there we also were running a program that's more we're2 hours, 23 minutes, 45 seconds
running operations let's say that's more um more attuned for the UAP the the2 hours, 23 minutes, 53 seconds
unidentifiable phenomenon And we had UAP class stuff popping up to the south of there, coming2 hours, 24 minutes, 1 second
in from the outer atmosphere and hovering into place and going back into space.2 hours, 24 minutes, 5 seconds
What do you mean? You were running operations more attuned to the UAP?2 hours, 24 minutes, 8 seconds
We were looking for that. We were expecting that looking for that and making sure we were paying attention for things that fit. Got it.2 hours, 24 minutes, 15 seconds
The box of possibly being well and UAP is a very safe word. UAP is the words are very you should say UAP more often2 hours, 24 minutes, 24 seconds
because it means unidentified anomalous phenomenon. I mean I don't know how you get I don't know how that becomes as concrete as if there's aliens and spaceships flying around because it's2 hours, 24 minutes, 32 seconds
the opposite of clear or or um conclusive. So UAP is should be a safe word. So yes, it was UAP and we were2 hours, 24 minutes, 40 seconds
looking for UAP. We're looking specifically for things that we couldn't identify and clearly didn't fit into a box. the the following nights, our plan2 hours, 24 minutes, 49 seconds
was to get airborne and in our helicopter and get a closer look legally under the guidance of the FAA's air2 hours, 24 minutes, 57 seconds
traffic control. Uh what was interesting about the situation is that there was a TFR set up over Pikatini Arsenal a month2 hours, 25 minutes, 5 seconds
prior like before Thanksgiving and the TFR is a temporary flight restriction which is turns any airspace into highly2 hours, 25 minutes, 14 seconds
restricted airspace. um on a case-byase basis. And so someone2 hours, 25 minutes, 21 seconds
uh had the foresight or the reasoning to set up a TFR to restrict drone activity2 hours, 25 minutes, 28 seconds
over Pikatini Arsenal weeks before Thanksgiving. We're there, you know,2 hours, 25 minutes, 32 seconds
around Christmas or [snorts] a little before Christmas. So this has been going on for a month in the area. And what's interesting about this TFR is it didn't2 hours, 25 minutes, 40 seconds
restrict general aviation traffic. could only restrict uh UAS, unmanned aerial systems. So, what that means is any2 hours, 25 minutes, 48 seconds
member of the general public who got in their civilian aircraft with the pilot's license could fly through that TFR with no restrictions, but a drone could not.2 hours, 25 minutes, 57 seconds
So, they were carving out for drones.2 hours, 25 minutes, 59 seconds
Well, the problem there is an aircraft could have an incursion with these drones who everyone was pretending weren't there and was ignoring it. And now you have an accident or an incident,2 hours, 26 minutes, 8 seconds
which is which is a safety risk. And when you get into safety risks for things that fly around in the air,2 hours, 26 minutes, 14 seconds
things get serious really quick. And that was the biggest problem and the biggest thing that wasn't being addressed that we were trying to make sure people were paying attention to was that to say there's no public risk,2 hours, 26 minutes, 25 seconds
that's a really lowhanging fruit, not the most exciting detail to anchor to in this thing, but it's an anchor point where we could start digging and forcing2 hours, 26 minutes, 32 seconds
people to give more concise reports from the DoD side, from the local law enforcement agencies. um because nobody2 hours, 26 minutes, 40 seconds
was working together there. There were over 59 local law enforcement entities working not coordinating there. We had2 hours, 26 minutes, 48 seconds
FBI, we had DoD, we had private partners um on Pikatini,2 hours, 26 minutes, 55 seconds
some from legacy programs that uh that are very popular were there with their very fancy tools and toys. Everyone's doing their own thing. Um,2 hours, 27 minutes, 5 seconds
were you called in specifically because of your UAP retrieval experience?2 hours, 27 minutes, 11 seconds
I wouldn't say my retrieval experience per se, but our team of guys uh were second to none. And I'm not being2 hours, 27 minutes, 19 seconds
overly proud in saying that. So we were brought in um more so on the behalf of DoD to help2 hours, 27 minutes, 28 seconds
take a look at things and and really contribute any way we can. But we found there was a lot of there wasn't a lot of coordination going on. The powers that2 hours, 27 minutes, 35 seconds
be that be really don't know what's going on or very few do and they're clearly not communicating with the rest of um our leadership and the public.2 hours, 27 minutes, 45 seconds
Mhm.2 hours, 27 minutes, 46 seconds
I mean, that's a great sample of why this whole thing is so confusing. Yeah. Is the New Jersey drone incident.2 hours, 27 minutes, 54 seconds
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What did Trump mean when he said, "It's probably not adversary. We know where the garage is. We could go into the garage."2 hours, 28 minutes, 3 seconds
Our military knows where they took off from. If it's a garage, they can go right into that garage. They know where it came from and where it went. God,2 hours, 28 minutes, 13 seconds
you're asking me to know what Trump means. Um, [laughter]2 hours, 28 minutes, 18 seconds
you're just asking another guy that's watching that on his phone like you.2 hours, 28 minutes, 23 seconds
So, what what was your net assessment just for the average person? Extremely confused.2 hours, 28 minutes, 28 seconds
Based on what we know from previous incursions at McDill and Langley Air Force Base this year as well, um, that2 hours, 28 minutes, 36 seconds
there were Chinese nationals that were taken into custody. Um that's a very big problem because if they are state actors2 hours, 28 minutes, 44 seconds
and they are it's an act of war and so how do we respond to an act of war like2 hours, 28 minutes, 51 seconds
there are no good options because either we look weak and vulnerable because we don't respond or we do respond in what now we're at war with China which the2 hours, 28 minutes, 59 seconds
world cannot afford. So there's there's there's a counterplay. Now, if I was if I was a red team member, when I look at it this lens, what I would do if I was2 hours, 29 minutes, 8 seconds
working if I if America was my adversary, I would fake a Chinese2 hours, 29 minutes, 15 seconds
invasion. It would be a false flag. I would make it look like China was doing this and I would hire, you know, the2 hours, 29 minutes, 22 seconds
billions of people that live in China aren't all singing the same song.2 hours, 29 minutes, 26 seconds
There's plenty of disgruntled people there that are for hire that work for other organizations worldwide um and are criminals in other capacities that2 hours, 29 minutes, 33 seconds
aren't in align with with China's intentions. So I would I would hire a Chinese national or someone from China2 hours, 29 minutes, 42 seconds
and deploy them to make it look like China was causing the incursion in order to start a war with the US for for a number of nefarious purposes. So it could have been a false flag like that.2 hours, 29 minutes, 51 seconds
Um, the biggest problem with shooting them down, everyone's like, "Why don't you just shoot them down?" Well, this has pointed out a vulnerability we've known for a very long time with why2 hours, 30 minutes, 1 second
there's a whole category of contracting in the US called CUAS or counter UAS systems is because drone incursions are2 hours, 30 minutes, 9 seconds
a problem because you can't shoot them down. Because where they are most likely a problem is over highly populated area like here, Dodger Stadium, let's say.2 hours, 30 minutes, 18 seconds
You can't just shoot them down because then now they're going to fall and cause damage to people and property. So what do you do? Like you really can't do anything unless you can chase down who's2 hours, 30 minutes, 26 seconds
operating them and take them into custody.2 hours, 30 minutes, 29 seconds
Okay. Okay. But do do you think any of these were genuine non-human intelligence? Any of these drones? You mentioned the Chinese nationals. Okay. I do.2 hours, 30 minutes, 36 seconds
And so why do you think that?2 hours, 30 minutes, 38 seconds
Because of uh the way they transitioned in and trans transitioned out. um2 hours, 30 minutes, 46 seconds
because of indications we got within our uh our observation operations, the way we observe and collect data.2 hours, 30 minutes, 56 seconds
Um that would be my guess is I do think that there was a an NH NHI component to2 hours, 31 minutes, 4 seconds
this combined which is what makes it really confusing. You know the biggest mystery of this whole thing is the mystery like there shouldn't be a mystery. This is a very simple thing.2 hours, 31 minutes, 12 seconds
There's something in the sky. go figure out what it is, find out who's flying it. It's over day one, right?2 hours, 31 minutes, 18 seconds
This continues to happen over and over again, and we still are pretending like we're confused,2 hours, 31 minutes, 23 seconds
which points to something that is far superior to us technologically that is ephemeral or weakly entangled with our2 hours, 31 minutes, 31 seconds
reality and popping in and out and not something that is easily or prosaically understood. And in the case, I think2 hours, 31 minutes, 38 seconds
what what makes this so confusing is in the case in which it is genuine UAP, you would get probably our state-of-the-art2 hours, 31 minutes, 45 seconds
drones around there as well. We'd throw those out to kind of detect. Yeah.2 hours, 31 minutes, 50 seconds
And so you you end up with this extremely kind of fuzzy mixed bag where it's much easier. Again, I don't want to beat up on Sean Ryan. and I think he's actually an amazing interviewer and guy,2 hours, 32 minutes
but like you have him retweeting that like maybe there's like this, you know, loose nuke on the eastern seabboard.2 hours, 32 minutes, 7 seconds
I I was freaking out. I was texting Logan. We were freaking out about it for for a day.2 hours, 32 minutes, 11 seconds
And then um there's something easier about that narrative, cleaner about that narrative than it's actually just this complicated mix2 hours, 32 minutes, 20 seconds
of non-human intelligence and people don't like mixtures. We want black and white. And you know, Sean is uh just as vulnerable to that as we all2 hours, 32 minutes, 29 seconds
are. I can tell you it wasn't loose nukes. Um and why I know that for sure is because I know people that work on2 hours, 32 minutes, 35 seconds
the Nest team. Uh I know people on What is the Nest team?2 hours, 32 minutes, 39 seconds
It's the nuclear emergency uh support team. Um that h and I also know people that work for the W the weapons of mass2 hours, 32 minutes, 47 seconds
destruction directive under the department of the FBI. They were there.2 hours, 32 minutes, 51 seconds
Their families were there. They weren't like, "Get the [ __ ] out of Dodge. Like,2 hours, 32 minutes, 54 seconds
there's a loose nuke." So, they wouldn't have had their kids there. They wouldn't have been like going to Target and buying churros. Like, no. They were they were chilling out, right?2 hours, 33 minutes, 2 seconds
So, they weren't worried about a loose nuke at that time.2 hours, 33 minutes, 5 seconds
So, and you really have to look that practically. Um, we're going through this major shift where we're realizing we can't trust our institutions. We2 hours, 33 minutes, 14 seconds
can't trust the narrative that's being presented and people don't know how to respond to that. I feel really bad for like [snorts]2 hours, 33 minutes, 21 seconds
like uh baby boomer the good baby boomers cuz they're getting like vilified so much but like my in-laws the sweetest old people like they've trustedChapter 24: Institutional Distrust
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the news and newspaper their whole life they've trusted offices of the president and um it's real dangerous because2 hours, 33 minutes, 37 seconds
there's this calling to like throw it all out like get rid of all of our institutions get rid of the government and that's not the answer. What what2 hours, 33 minutes, 45 seconds
this needs to be is a call to action for all brave,2 hours, 33 minutes, 52 seconds
well-rounded people with work ethic and a deep sense of meaning to start occupying positions2 hours, 33 minutes, 59 seconds
within institutions and offices. Like we just need to occupy these positions of power in Caesar institutions. And this2 hours, 34 minutes, 5 seconds
is everything from like the uh you know the Catholic Church to the World Health Organization organization2 hours, 34 minutes, 13 seconds
to uh police departments. Like so many good people I know that are cops are like screw this. Especially around the George Floyd incident and all the2 hours, 34 minutes, 21 seconds
fallout from defund the police are like I'm retiring. I'm getting out. I'm like oh great we're just going to turn the police department over to those who would work under these conditions and2 hours, 34 minutes, 29 seconds
these new standards of like you don't have to be able to do a pull up or run.2 hours, 34 minutes, 33 seconds
like you can be overweight and like and try and like protect and serve. No. And so and same with the military. So many2 hours, 34 minutes, 41 seconds
people have gotten out because of how how maybe the spirit of dei or some like2 hours, 34 minutes, 49 seconds
to rearrange it die because it's it's a death sentence. Um [laughter] but the spirit of that makes sense to all good2 hours, 34 minutes, 57 seconds
people. Like every one of us in the military is here to risk our life so that you can be free to say whatever you2 hours, 35 minutes, 4 seconds
want and orient yourself sexually with whoever you want, but it's being gone about the wrong way.2 hours, 35 minutes, 10 seconds
And so people are punching out and that's the last thing we want to do. You have to you if you want if you're willing to sacrifice your life in some2 hours, 35 minutes, 18 seconds
glor glorified sexy way of like jumping on a grenade for your bu buddy and having an awesome funeral, well then be2 hours, 35 minutes, 25 seconds
willing to put up with an environment that rubs you the wrong way. Like stay in your sacrifice is more nuanced than2 hours, 35 minutes, 34 seconds
the glory of a fantastic death. You need to stay in your job and put up with political HR [ __ ] and occupy positions of leadership and then make changes.2 hours, 35 minutes, 46 seconds
That's the only way this works.2 hours, 35 minutes, 47 seconds
That is a a beautiful and not nihilistic message to a lot of people who I think have felt cheated by the establishment2 hours, 35 minutes, 56 seconds
and institutions over decades. And I do think often the blame gets sometimes fairly, sometimes unfairly pinned on the baby boomers. And so, I mean, yeah, it's2 hours, 36 minutes, 4 seconds
important to not throw the baby out with the bath water. The fi the final thing I think we should just talk about on the New Jersey drone thing, and then I think we should move on, is on the point of2 hours, 36 minutes, 12 seconds
good critical thinking, these quote unquote drones seem to be showing up consistently around sensitive military2 hours, 36 minutes, 20 seconds
sites and all over the world, not just in New Jersey. So, Pikatini Arsenal is one place. That's where they initially seem to show up, but you have Lake and2 hours, 36 minutes, 27 seconds
Heath. You have uh Salem uh nuclear power plant in Jersey. You have Brunswick, you know, Duke Energy Power Plant in North Carolina. And this just2 hours, 36 minutes, 36 seconds
totally comports with Robert Hastings work on UFOs and nuke. So, I do think it's important to put this in its proper context that what2 hours, 36 minutes, 44 seconds
we're seeing today, if you actually have that context, is probably what we've seen historically. You have these UFO flaps historically.2 hours, 36 minutes, 51 seconds
Yes. It's just ridiculous that it's happening now and that we don't know how to respond to it and we don't know how to discern what it is. Um, and the drones, even if let's say it's drones,2 hours, 37 minutes, 2 seconds
that would still freak people out. Um, I I mean, you could go, you could even YouTube, you don't even have to go, but if you've ever been to like a a tech2 hours, 37 minutes, 10 seconds
trade show where someone like GM or Chrysler is like showing their new prototype for a flying car, which is essentially a quadcopter just like2 hours, 37 minutes, 18 seconds
sleaked out. It's incred. It looks crazy. And it's a real thing that you could hop in and fly right now. And there's no reason another nation or some2 hours, 37 minutes, 27 seconds
autonomous organization that's that's based out of Mexico where it doesn't have to follow US laws like some billionaire couldn't put together a plan2 hours, 37 minutes, 34 seconds
to get off the off the shore of New Jersey in the Atlantic Ocean and launch a bunch of these. And some of them can launch off the water. They could go from2 hours, 37 minutes, 42 seconds
the water, not under, but from the water to the sky. And it and it looks like something out of, you know, historically would like a movie. Are there underwater UFO bases?2 hours, 37 minutes, 52 seconds
I would think so. Yeah. Yeah, that seems to be the case. Yeah. Interesting.2 hours, 38 minutes
And this was part of the challenge in my journey and how it took me a long time to get to the point to where I realized,2 hours, 38 minutes, 7 seconds
you know, what we're dealing with is NHI versus our own advanced technology because there is a spectrum. I mean,2 hours, 38 minutes, 14 seconds
we've kind of filled the gap, at least from an ignorant standpoint, unless you have the right way to analyze what you're observing. And I use those terms2 hours, 38 minutes, 22 seconds
broadly, because we there's so much more than a human looking up with uh with2 hours, 38 minutes, 29 seconds
like ultraviolet sensing eyeballs. Like there's more than that. And so, but there's such a spectrum that it is it is2 hours, 38 minutes, 37 seconds
hard to discern. There's a lot of belief involved. [music]2 hours, 38 minutes, 51 seconds
I want to put my cynic hat on for a second and ask some audience surrogate questions because I think a lot of people are probably2 hours, 38 minutes, 59 seconds
just freaked out, a little ontologically shocked at some of these claims.Chapter 25: Project Blue Beam
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So, there's this conspiracy theory called Project Blue Beam. There are people out there that think that this is all being orchestrated by the deep state that these orbs or crafts will show up.2 hours, 39 minutes, 16 seconds
Uh it'll be an opice for which to to clamp down and create a surveillance state or to create some fake you know antichrist like religious awakening.2 hours, 39 minutes, 25 seconds
Yeah. Uh that is you know completely a sham.2 hours, 39 minutes, 29 seconds
What what do you have anything to say to that?2 hours, 39 minutes, 32 seconds
there has been an organized and an unorganized effort on behalf of2 hours, 39 minutes, 38 seconds
the US government uh to to disclose some of this stuff. I mean as early as or I2 hours, 39 minutes, 46 seconds
mean as recent as like 2015 16 I mean ATIP was certainly part of that effort.2 hours, 39 minutes, 53 seconds
Um but like I don't think that should be looked at negatively. I mean, those who are the2 hours, 40 minutes, 2 seconds
gatekeepers or those who are holding these secrets or have the power to release it, let's say, first of all, it's not one group, it's multiple. Like,2 hours, 40 minutes, 9 seconds
what would you want them to do with it?2 hours, 40 minutes, 10 seconds
Like, we can't complain that we're they're not telling us anything or they're putting out some organized disclosure program and softs serving it to us.2 hours, 40 minutes, 21 seconds
I think I think that well first of all that has been done and2 hours, 40 minutes, 28 seconds
um whether or not that's a bad idea or not I don't know. So I think the philosophical question that naturally2 hours, 40 minutes, 36 seconds
arises here is you are implementing techniques that seem like you're almost2 hours, 40 minutes, 43 seconds
tapping into this sacred other spiritual world,2 hours, 40 minutes, 47 seconds
but you're sort of doing it on behalf of American defense.2 hours, 40 minutes, 51 seconds
Obviously, you've shown that your loyalty transcends just pure, you know,Chapter 26: Angels and Demons
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organizational expedience in realizing that this is actually bad for the country, the way this thing was set up.2 hours, 41 minutes, 2 seconds
But what about loyalty above that? Even this metaphysical loyalty, loyalty to God. And if these things are angels or2 hours, 41 minutes, 8 seconds
celestial creatures, how do you square the fact that we're moving in kind of celestial realms, but we're kind of, you know,2 hours, 41 minutes, 18 seconds
using the frame of American defense with all of this stuff?2 hours, 41 minutes, 21 seconds
Yeah, that's a fun question. And we're all forced to consider it once you get to this point. uh like the angels and2 hours, 41 minutes, 28 seconds
demons idea I think is a good place to kind of orient the idea of what we're dealing with uh because there certainly is good energy and bad energy at play.2 hours, 41 minutes, 39 seconds
My experience has been I would say 100%2 hours, 41 minutes, 43 seconds
good energy like profoundly good for so for whatever reason if this if this is an atypical2 hours, 41 minutes, 50 seconds
experience or if it only represents one half of of the experiences people have with the NHI energy that's fine but mine2 hours, 41 minutes, 58 seconds
has been unbelievably positive and has been lifechanging and has guided me and given me orientation2 hours, 42 minutes, 6 seconds
and motivation and clarity. It's it gives me so many things. It's like being tapped into uh something like a guiding2 hours, 42 minutes, 14 seconds
guiding light or an omniresent god that has your best will at heart. But2 hours, 42 minutes, 23 seconds
um the question comes up often in our circle of friends let's say2 hours, 42 minutes, 32 seconds
um the question of are these things or is this phenomenon benevolent or malevolent and the answer2 hours, 42 minutes, 40 seconds
is yes because much like us they're both. We have the capacity for both good and2 hours, 42 minutes, 47 seconds
evil. And it just um since we're talking philosophically and beyond like the2 hours, 42 minutes, 56 seconds
universe itself has a pretty consistent set of elements and structure that we've already observed. So to think that2 hours, 43 minutes, 5 seconds
there's something like good and evil that exists throughout all domains and dimensions and distances makes a lot of sense. that would also explain a lot of2 hours, 43 minutes, 14 seconds
what we're hearing through the echoes of history related to the phenomenon angels and demons. So that makes a lot of sense. Um, and [clears throat]2 hours, 43 minutes, 24 seconds
it's important to not be naive and assume that there's no reason to be2 hours, 43 minutes, 33 seconds
worried about um, a higher life form or a more technologically advanced life form or a more dominant life form, let's2 hours, 43 minutes, 42 seconds
just put it that way, whether it's it lives in our three-dimensional space or it's extradimensional,2 hours, 43 minutes, 48 seconds
uh, it could be a real problem. Um, which is why like on one hand,2 hours, 43 minutes, 56 seconds
for better or for worse, the government is the primary custodian on this knowledge and this hardware and they're they're the hammer that identifies2 hours, 44 minutes, 5 seconds
everything as a nail. They're they're a military-based organization. So, they're going to look for um advantages for2 hours, 44 minutes, 14 seconds
offense and defense. And you know, it's easy to point fingers and say that's disgusting and this should be about2 hours, 44 minutes, 21 seconds
love, but that's not the way the world works. And the freedom we experience,2 hours, 44 minutes, 26 seconds
and I I I'm qualified to speak on this from both sides. Like, I'm a human. I have love in my heart. Um, I'm open-minded. I'm caring. I'm sensitive,2 hours, 44 minutes, 37 seconds
but I'm also a trained soldier. And so,2 hours, 44 minutes, 40 seconds
I understand the value of that. And we live in the benefits that have been provided to us from a military state,2 hours, 44 minutes, 49 seconds
from a military dominance on this planet. And to assume to take that for granted is very unwise. And so, you2 hours, 44 minutes, 58 seconds
know, it's like the a good analogy is like a kitchen knife. Kitchen knife could be used to make beautiful food for your family. It could be used to defend2 hours, 45 minutes, 6 seconds
yourself or to maliciously kill another human. Is a knife good or bad? It's the intention of2 hours, 45 minutes, 15 seconds
the being wielding it that makes the difference.2 hours, 45 minutes, 17 seconds
This brings up the next logical question which is that the OSAP program which ran from 2007 to 2012 under the opices of2 hours, 45 minutes, 25 seconds
Harry Reid a lot of these guys were digging holes and looking into kind of exotic weaponry2 hours, 45 minutes, 32 seconds
and they were doing it on Skinwalker Ranch and a lot of them reported this quote unquote hitchhiker effect.Chapter 27: The Personal Journey
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Yeah. And so all sorts of orbs and but honestly hauntings like really paranormal bad things. It's like as if they played with a Ouija board following them home.2 hours, 45 minutes, 48 seconds
And so it does seem like what you put in is is is what you get out. It's like that new radical song, you know, get what you give. Yeah.2 hours, 45 minutes, 56 seconds
And so um that might be part of it.2 hours, 45 minutes, 58 seconds
Seek seek and you shall find. Yeah. And so um I am also of the mind that protecting the free world is not2 hours, 46 minutes, 7 seconds
something we can take for granted. And so my hope is that whatever good NHI,2 hours, 46 minutes, 13 seconds
you know, are are there like agree with that.2 hours, 46 minutes, 16 seconds
And then at the same time, if you're antagonizing any of the good NHI and they're just actually just superior to us,2 hours, 46 minutes, 22 seconds
I I worry about that somewhat. And um if you're doing it in the name of country,2 hours, 46 minutes, 28 seconds
but your country doesn't always act in the the best possible way. I mean that the uh you mentioned the term false flag before. Yeah.2 hours, 46 minutes, 36 seconds
The history of American foreign policy is not the history of perfect, you know,2 hours, 46 minutes, 41 seconds
uh uh uh moral alignment with with the higher good.2 hours, 46 minutes, 44 seconds
No, it's means it ends justified by means often. Often. And so, um, yeah, how do how do you think about all that going forward,2 hours, 46 minutes, 53 seconds
[sighs]2 hours, 46 minutes, 54 seconds
man? Um,2 hours, 46 minutes, 59 seconds
I think we should decentralize the ideas. And what I mean by that is one thing I hope comes of all of this is we encourage every individual to start2 hours, 47 minutes, 7 seconds
looking into answering this question themselves. Not only by just doing your own research uh, online, but inside.2 hours, 47 minutes, 16 seconds
Don't look inside as much looking out.2 hours, 47 minutes, 18 seconds
Walk outside, look to the sky. Try doing something like praying. Um, you don't even have to pray. Come up with another word for it if that's too like uh if2 hours, 47 minutes, 28 seconds
there's too much like Judeo-Christian stigma with that word. Like walk outside, look at the sky, open your2 hours, 47 minutes, 35 seconds
heart, and ask for the good energy, the universe to show something to you. And it's that simple. Like stuff can happen in our experience just by doing that.2 hours, 47 minutes, 45 seconds
You talk about the hitchhiker effect and I shared that most of my experience has been positive but I haven't shared that stuff has followed me home and that my2 hours, 47 minutes, 54 seconds
family sees it. We have stuff show up over our house. We have um a UAP we call the angel that shows up and it looks2 hours, 48 minutes, 3 seconds
like it has ore wings. It's blue and it comes in materializes hangs out over the house. It's seen by neighbors. It's seen2 hours, 48 minutes, 10 seconds
by everybody and then it's gone. It shoots into outer space. like the the classic the wings that describes a saraphim, you know, like an ancient kind of Hebraic angel.2 hours, 48 minutes, 21 seconds
And so,2 hours, 48 minutes, 22 seconds
I mean, it makes sense like and that's the first time we saw it. My son saw we thought it was cloud and it's like there's not a cloud in the sky, but it seemed cloudy around this thing, but it2 hours, 48 minutes, 30 seconds
had like um it had like uh wings. It was blue and it had like more like butterfly wings than like what2 hours, 48 minutes, 40 seconds
we seen like angel. think that that that's somehow protecting you or good or it it feels like a good energy like we2 hours, 48 minutes, 48 seconds
can feel that energy I got in the aircraft that night is that same energy I get uh I mean it puts my my son in2 hours, 48 minutes, 55 seconds
tears it puts like and he's not afraid like he's moved um and it's incredible. So like how do2 hours, 49 minutes, 4 seconds
you explain that? Um, and that's a good way to to maybe if you want to start being your own little amateur scientist,2 hours, 49 minutes, 13 seconds
if you walk outside and you open your heart to the good spirit of the universe and you ask for something specific, it2 hours, 49 minutes, 20 seconds
seems like a silly exercise and something happens. Let's say you get a craft. Did you just summon advanced2 hours, 49 minutes, 27 seconds
human technology? Did Edwards Air Force dispatch dispatch an aircraft and hovered over your house?2 hours, 49 minutes, 33 seconds
Probably not. So it's probably more likely like there's something anomalous or NHI based with that situation than you know2 hours, 49 minutes, 42 seconds
do you think that the uh inner outer dichotomy is a false one and that these things are somehow excavations of what's2 hours, 49 minutes, 50 seconds
inside of you and maybe uh future science is actually a more spiritual science. There's this 19th century Austrian philosopher named Rudolph2 hours, 49 minutes, 58 seconds
Steiner who talks about anthroposophy where it's studying the inner in order to garner mastery over the outer world.2 hours, 50 minutes, 7 seconds
That was what alchemy was always about as well. I think it's all on the table now.2 hours, 50 minutes, 12 seconds
That's like that's what's fun but also crazy about this is like there's so much on the table. There's so much to be explored. And this is what I appreciate2 hours, 50 minutes, 19 seconds
about Gary, Dr. Nolan's attitude is that he he thinks this is the greatest moment2 hours, 50 minutes, 26 seconds
ever for science, not like something that's ridiculous.2 hours, 50 minutes, 30 seconds
Well, I think what's beautiful about it is that since the enlightenment,2 hours, 50 minutes, 34 seconds
science and the spirit have cleaved off and bifurcated. And if you were to go back to Francis Bacon, he would say, I2 hours, 50 minutes, 42 seconds
am using the scientific method was back then, you know, more empirical skepticism. It wasn't called that at the time, but I'm using that in order to discover God's secrets. And since then,2 hours, 50 minutes, 53 seconds
you now you have like, you know, Richard Dawkins who's like this, you know,2 hours, 50 minutes, 57 seconds
extremely, you know, just atheist and he's he sort of, you know, disrespects anybody that believes. And then on the other side, you have religious fundamentalists who don't take2 hours, 51 minutes, 6 seconds
science super seriously and will like throw Darwin out like it like isn't even an effective local theory, which is probably, you know, it's probably has2 hours, 51 minutes, 13 seconds
some use as a theory. No, I love that point because it's uh it's something like the the beauty of why a children a child could ask why infinitely and it2 hours, 51 minutes, 22 seconds
can annoy an adult. It's like why why why because you can track that and the fact that you can't put a lid on it or dead inend that line of questioning2 hours, 51 minutes, 31 seconds
means that there's something that adult is missing in that scenario. And that's the way I see the approach of the scientific method or thinking that the I2 hours, 51 minutes, 39 seconds
that the pursuit of science is somehow uh is a skew to the pursuit of God because even within the scientific2 hours, 51 minutes, 47 seconds
method where did that come from and why was it created? Why do you think it's worthwhile to have a method to objectively evaluate your environment?2 hours, 51 minutes, 57 seconds
You would have to believe that it leads to a what you consider a good outcome.2 hours, 52 minutes, 2 seconds
Now that leads to the next question of well what what is a good outcome and why do you care about what good is2 hours, 52 minutes, 10 seconds
totally you so you can't get away even in this this high horse of science and the2 hours, 52 minutes, 17 seconds
scientific method from the pursuit of science because if you're a scientist it's because you love science. You want2 hours, 52 minutes, 26 seconds
you have interest and an intuition that ex that going down this road objectively through the method is going to lead to2 hours, 52 minutes, 34 seconds
something worthwhile for you and you just loop right back around to understanding that you were seeking something good and worthwhile. And where does that come from?2 hours, 52 minutes, 42 seconds
Yeah. And maybe science and religion are, you know, bottoms of the pyramid and if you ascend, you get to some omega2 hours, 52 minutes, 50 seconds
point at the top where they meet. And uh there's a great Meister Echart quote,2 hours, 52 minutes, 54 seconds
theologians may quarrel but mystics all speak the same language. [laughter] And I do think if you are just intaking2 hours, 53 minutes, 2 seconds
information in search of the truth, uh I think that's that's a that's a process that is agnostic of you know science is2 hours, 53 minutes, 10 seconds
one method, religion is another but um we're all sort of seeking some some sort of outcome. And in G Jesus2 hours, 53 minutes, 17 seconds
even says in the book of Mark he says so I'm paraphrasing but it's something like what you measure you'll get more of and so you know2 hours, 53 minutes, 24 seconds
it's where you point your attention and intention and that's seems to be something that is consistent with the phenomena when you talk about attracting2 hours, 53 minutes, 33 seconds
the good or the evil spirits. Uh I mean make no mistake there have been dark things that have happened within2 hours, 53 minutes, 42 seconds
CR um CR Yeah. Mhm. to other groups. And I'm not going to talk about that. But just2 hours, 53 minutes, 49 seconds
uh it doesn't mean though those who hate talking about it this way2 hours, 53 minutes, 57 seconds
in in the UAP culture don't want us talking about the negative, want us to focus on the2 hours, 54 minutes, 4 seconds
positive. It's because they think that that means our behavior should change. But it's it's complex like anything.2 hours, 54 minutes, 10 seconds
like it's uh the the good still exists even though there's bad, but you can't you have to acknowledge that there are there are dangers associated with it.2 hours, 54 minutes, 21 seconds
If you're an audience member at this point, I think you're probably wondering, you're having a burning question, which is what about space2 hours, 54 minutes, 28 seconds
aliens? This all seems to be talk of spirituality, inner outer orbs, that sort of thing.2 hours, 54 minutes, 35 seconds
Where do do we have any evidence that these things come from other planets? I don't know. Um,Chapter 28: Aliens and "Biologics"
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I'll I'll give you one piece of information that people may have gotten out of the stuff that's come out the last couple of years, but this this will2 hours, 54 minutes, 50 seconds
help and it may not be the answer everyone wants, but you know, there's a reason we use the term biologics and uh2 hours, 54 minutes, 58 seconds
there's a reason Dave really hung his hat on that phrase every time he used2 hours, 55 minutes, 4 seconds
it. That's because um biologics didn't doesn't necessarily mean sentient beings2 hours, 55 minutes, 12 seconds
or conscious creatures. It could be something like a drone from another place like we do. We send our drones. We2 hours, 55 minutes, 21 seconds
have like say sent Voyager out like we've all done these things or not we've all but our government has done many drone programs. Mars rovers etc. So the2 hours, 55 minutes, 31 seconds
biologics could be something like soft tissue drones. While some of the biological2 hours, 55 minutes, 39 seconds
cargo that comes with these craft is not conscious. Consciousness itself is how2 hours, 55 minutes, 47 seconds
you interact and pilot the craft, which is ironic because for the first time ever, the biological creatures inside are not conscious, but the craft is.2 hours, 55 minutes, 56 seconds
Well, it's funny you say that. DARPA at this very moment is looking into a field called computational biology and we're2 hours, 56 minutes, 4 seconds
looking at you know how do we uh manipulate the biological world you know create an anatomical compiler if you2 hours, 56 minutes, 11 seconds
will and we're we're we're starting to understand how cells operate on a more granular level and so you'd have to think some civilization either on2 hours, 56 minutes, 20 seconds
another planet or ours uh with a lot more time energy and expertise maybe has figured out something like that and That2 hours, 56 minutes, 28 seconds
brings me to my next question, which is a lot of people talk about being abducted by these gray aliens, and a lot of the people who describe these2 hours, 56 minutes, 35 seconds
abductions say that the grey aliens are sort of droidike robotic creatures that seem to be sent almost as like2 hours, 56 minutes, 44 seconds
messengers where they're doing these specific retrievalss and insertions. So,2 hours, 56 minutes, 48 seconds
insertions of, you know, implants and then retrievalss of gametes, genetic material, that sort of thing. Yeah.2 hours, 56 minutes, 55 seconds
Do you have any take on any of this stuff,2 hours, 56 minutes, 56 seconds
man? that stuff. First of all, I have zero experience with gray or beings or meeting something face to face. I'd love2 hours, 57 minutes, 3 seconds
to do it. Uh it sounds fun to me. Um sign me up. But I mean, as crazy as it sounds, the most trusted people in my2 hours, 57 minutes, 13 seconds
circle that I have worked with and do work with um have those speak to having2 hours, 57 minutes, 20 seconds
those firsthand experiences with. And so it's like what do you do with that? And now I'm in the now I'm in the seat of2 hours, 57 minutes, 28 seconds
well where's the proof? Like now I'm like I want to believe that. Like how can I get there? And I can't because that's where it's like2 hours, 57 minutes, 37 seconds
I understand where people are taking my information and trying to get there with me and you just can't. I just can't get there. Um but it's it's awfully2 hours, 57 minutes, 45 seconds
intriguing because I believe that they believe that that happened. Um, and there are reports that we do have2 hours, 57 minutes, 53 seconds
biologics in storage and we just don't know what that is. But this is all the more reason like why I'm excited to like2 hours, 58 minutes, 1 second
move forward in this new venture and the fact that we have we have created our own autonomy and that we're going out we2 hours, 58 minutes, 8 seconds
have a budget we're operating and we're we're in a public private partnership and I hope to answer all these questions. Um2 hours, 58 minutes, 16 seconds
uh if all things go well before I'm trying not to say a date, but within the first half of 2025, we hopeChapter 29: Jake's Future Demonstrations
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to do a demonstration and and invite key members of the public from institutions2 hours, 58 minutes, 32 seconds
um and demonstrate this and maybe even get something to the ground if we can do it legally in coordination with um our2 hours, 58 minutes, 40 seconds
government partners, which we have to do. We can't just go rogue and do this without them. they have to be involved.2 hours, 58 minutes, 45 seconds
But it is likely that we'll have an opportunity to do that and that's going to answer a lot of questions. That would be absolutely insane.2 hours, 58 minutes, 52 seconds
Look, man, like the skies aren't classified. [music] Your conscious can't be redacted. So get out there, start looking up, start looking in.2 hours, 59 minutes, 3 seconds
No. Yeah. That's part of the reason I'm here is cuz, you know, I just became a dad, a dad of a daughter who's three months old. And I look at this little2 hours, 59 minutes, 11 seconds
lady and I I feel like this responsibility for for helping at least to shape a a positive worldChapter 30: Ontological Relief
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uh that heads towards progression in the right direction. And I think disclosure2 hours, 59 minutes, 25 seconds
is a much bigger conversation that will open a lot of people's eyes. One thing you said to me on or us on the on2 hours, 59 minutes, 34 seconds
the first phone call we had is you know people talk about this feeling of onlogical shock where it's like it's really hard for a lot of people to face2 hours, 59 minutes, 42 seconds
the reality that their entire worldview is being challenged and I certainly felt that but one thing you said that I liked was [music] you like to think of it as2 hours, 59 minutes, 50 seconds
onlogical relief where it's like actually some of the questions about like when I look up in the sky it's like what what2 hours, 59 minutes, 58 seconds
am I what are we how are we here you know At least there's like a like some semblance of3 hours, 5 seconds
answers or or or something a little more that's explained. Yeah. That that actually makes me go, "Huh,3 hours, 12 seconds
all right. It's making a little bit more sense than than it was before." Um Yeah. No. And it's something like giving up atheism when you become a parent3 hours, 21 seconds
because you're like, "This can't be all I can't be the smartest person in the room. I can't be the richest or most influential influential person in the3 hours, 30 seconds
room. I can't be the most powerful person in the room. This is for the president when he goes to sleep at night. Like, I'm not qualified. Like, I need there to be more. I need there to3 hours, 38 seconds
be deeper meaning. I need there to be more connection between us. Um I cuz every person, even the bad guys that we3 hours, 46 seconds
run into in life, at one time we're just an innocent little baby. And there's something sweet and meaningful in every3 hours, 53 seconds
human. And that's what this whole thing offers. Like is as woo woo as that sounds, like that's the the best thing3 hours, 1 minute
that could be harvested by acknowledging this. And it's got this this cold3 hours, 1 minute, 7 seconds
military political industrial um like stigma attached to it. But that's not it. It's not about like3 hours, 1 minute, 16 seconds
flying equipment like oh let can we get in a flying saucer and like get to London in 2 minutes or could we get there yesterday because now we know3 hours, 1 minute, 23 seconds
China like screw all that. The real implications are way more powerful and it's it's realizing that there is something else out there that's maybe3 hours, 1 minute, 32 seconds
not extra at all. It's something that's part of us. It's like outer space versus inner space is all the same. And so I I3 hours, 1 minute, 39 seconds
hope there's something really beautiful on the other side of this, which is why we need more people involved. We need religious communities involved. We need3 hours, 1 minute, 48 seconds
like we need the leftest, most treehugging spiritual people to get into this thing that's [music] been3 hours, 1 minute, 55 seconds
controlled and been locked up by the most like tyrannical rightwingle leaning people.3 hours, 2 minutes, 3 seconds
This is to me one of the most important stories in a millennium, let alone a century, because [music] it should make3 hours, 2 minutes, 12 seconds
everybody question core ontological truths and like you said, hopefully open their eyes to a broader reality uh that is, I think, expansive and exciting. So,3 hours, 2 minutes, 24 seconds
wow. Thank you, man. Well, thank you. The pleasure is mine.3 hours, 2 minutes, 27 seconds
and let's make sure we get this out there so that future generations aren't having to rediscover this thing all over again. Let's do it.3 hours, 2 minutes, 34 seconds
Yeah, man.3 hours, 2 minutes, 39 seconds
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