Trump BLINDSIDED by MOTHER OF ALL LAWSUITS on Epstein

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Katie Fang, journalist, legal commentator, lawyer,

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and good friend here on the Midas Touch Network and on Legal AF. And Katie joined me on the intersection to talk about her breakthrough new lawsuit, the

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first lawsuit filed um against the Trump administration and Department of Justice under the Epstein

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Transparency Act. And it took Katie Fang to do it. And who better to brief our audience about it than Katie coming on with me on the intersection to do it.

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Let's talk about the Epstein files.

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Let's talk about the Comey indictment and it's and the ridiculousness of it.

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Katie being a former prosecutor here on my Intersection podcast. Here's the clip. I'm reading in my updates for the

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day about a new filing that just happened about the Epstein files. And I'm like, "Oh, this will be good." And I

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see at the top of the filing, Katie Fang versus Todd Blanch. God, there's no

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sweeter words that have ever been spoken than Katie Fang versus Todd Blanch. Let's bring in Katie Fang. Hi, Katie.

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Wait, can we talk about that series of pictures of you like doing like I like I'm trying to like pay attention to each

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one of them because I'm trying to catch the eyewear, the haircut, the beard, the facial hair. Like there's so many different iterations of Popo. I'm just

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trying to keep up and make sure I see what's going on.

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Some of my ads and I'm like, I need a haircut on that one. That was one I did without my beard. That's another pair.

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When you you're a a fashionista when it comes to eyewear, too, but that's not what we're here to talk about. So, let's look. We got questions. I know the audience will start asking soon. So,

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let's get before we get to Thank you for being here with me. I know um you got a great live show over on the Katy Fang uh news channel that people should check

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out as well. Talk about you as a news maker because it's one thing to be a journalist as you are intrepid reporter,

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legal analyst, lawyer, um and all of that, but to kind of cross over and say,

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gosh, by golly, I got to be the plaintiff in a federal case against the Department of Justice. Talk about that process. Well, for what it's worth, my

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my alert went off, too, the same way when I saw there was new litigation. I was like, "Oh, look, there's a new case." Um, you know, I love this

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question, Michael, because actually nobody's asked me this, per se. It's very unusual, as you know, as a lawyer to be a litigant. Um, we don't do that,

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right? We we either represent a party or a litigant or we represent somebody who maybe has an interest in the outcome of

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a case. But I felt like it was so compelling and important for me to do

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something proactive. And it wasn't out of just a desire to to achieve transparency on the files. It's because

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it literally impacts my profession as a journalist. I cannot be able to report and explain things and describe things

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and pull on threads and do more investigation if I literally can't access the information. And the fact that it's rooted in just blatant

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egregious non-compliance really chapped my ass. I was really upset. And so it

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involved a lot of kind of back and forth and a discussion about, you know, what kind of exposure it would be and what it

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would take to do this lawsuit. But in the end, um, I felt like it was incredibly important because the Epstein files and reporting on it is a huge part

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of the work that I do as an independent journalist. and I refuse to allow myself to be deployed as pretty much a propaganda arm. If you think about it,

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Michael, when when the federal government is controlling the spigot of information and the outflow of information and they're controlling the

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way that it is being delivered and then I as a reporter or a journalist take that information and pretty much regurgitate it without any further

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investigation or without any further analysis on it, I'm pretty much become just an extension of the DOJ in the

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Trump regime. And I'm like, nah, that doesn't work for me. And that's why we ended up suing.

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Yeah. I mean that is perfect. I mean I you know there were many people types of people that could have brought this suit but none did. And that's why I said when

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it first when I first saw it, this is not only breathtaking, this is this is landmark because it broke it broke the glass ceiling and finally is going to

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get to the bottom of um a a citizen, a reporter who like you said can't do her

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job because we're being spoonfed information probably half if not less than half of what should be should have

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been provided to us. Um, and and by spoonfeeding and have, think about it this way, and I know you do because you and I talked about this, by them spoonfeeding us and us reporting on it,

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it's almost like we're complicit in the propaganda, right? We always have to say, well, we we this is only the tip of the iceberg and we see an email and we

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see a person, but we don't know who the person, but but but we also can't not report on it. So, we're left. So they basically are manipulating the outflow by by denying us the actual information.

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And and enough is enough. And I love the line in the story that you with this lawsuit.

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So here's the thing, Michael, like if if Congress and and the thing is I want to underscore this. This is a law.

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This is not some permissive moment in time where people get to individually decide in their minds how they want to

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interpret the law. This is a law. It was a bipartisan a a a bipartisan past law that the felon Trump signed into law.

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And if they did not want certain information to be released, they would have created an enumerated restriction,

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which they did. And those restrictions that have been included in the law are to protect the identity and confidentiality of the victims and

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survivors, to prevent disclosure of national security information, but that's pretty much about it. They're very limited limited exceptions on

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disclosure. And conversely, you can't redact for fear of um embarrassing or

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creating public humiliation or shame for individuals, politicians, the Donald Trump's of the world and others, right?

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It's a very clear, very easyto- read federal statute. And the DOJ has been in

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daily violation of that statute since December 19th, 2025. And that is months of violation of the statute. And in

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those months, remember, we were we were getting drip and drabs of stuff. Then we had this weird just dump of information,

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much of which was done improperly, albeit illegally. And then it's like,

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we're done. January comes around. We're done. We're not going to give you anything else. Sorry. We're done. And I'm like, nah, we're not done. I know we're not done because you've improperly

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redacted stuff. You've improperly retracted stuff. and you've pretty much violated the law, so I don't have to

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participate in this game. It hurts me in my profession, so I'm going to do something about it.

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Yeah. Here's some questions from our audience tonight. Kevin Hog, 2928, asks you, "Is there anything that the Mightest Mighty can do to help your cause?"

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That is incredibly kind. Um, amplifying this lawsuit, continuing to voice your amazing support is incredibly helpful. I

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have been pleasantly surprised the amount of coverage that this lawsuit has achieved. I think Michael, you were the one who pointed out yesterday, this is

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the first lawsuit that's been brought pursuant to the Epstein Files Transparency Act. So, it is a firstofits-kind lawsuit. It's also the

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first time a journalist has sued obviously to to get enforcement or compliance with it. um at this point

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just at at this stage in the litigation folks just kind of talking about it and spreading the news and and just kind of supporting the work that I'm doing is

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incredibly helpful. In fact, I will say as a plaintiff in this case, part of the reason why I am the plaintiff is

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more than I don't know more than a third, if not more of the work that I have done at Katy Fang News on YouTube

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and at Substack has been covering Epstein. It's been a huge part of the work I do. Um, I have traveled to cover Epstein. I'm planning travel on Epstein related things, including New Mexico.

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For those of you that have been following what's happened at Zoro Ranch that is in my immediate event horizon, I have something involving Epstein next

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week in New York City. I mean, there's a lot that I am doing. And if you continue to provide support for the work that I am doing, that most certainly actually

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helps this litigation because it just further buttresses my argument that I have viewers, subscribers, and people that are interested in this information.

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I just can't give it to them because it continues to be hidden from us.

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Yeah, that's that's a great a great thing. Our audience always looks for a call to action, something they can do to support what what we what we're doing.

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Um, and so, um, since you and I last spoke, do we have a judge yet who's assigned to this case? We do. We have your judge.

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Senior Judge EMTT Sullivan. Um, can we just take a moment and and say that the gods have a great not sense of humor but

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a great cosmic justice has just had it h this is the same judge who has Cash Patel's defamation case right and you

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got him for this Epstein transfer. Oh my god. Well, chef's kiss. EMTT Sullivan also is somebody that we've been

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following for years because he was the presiding judge over Michael Flynn's case. If you'll recall, Michael Flynn had a criminal case for which he was

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prosecuted. And then, of course, when Trump got into office, what happened? Well, it was like first term Trump,

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right? It was like, "Oh, we're not going to prosecute him. We're not going to do it." And then they he tried to vacate his guilty plea if you recall. And Judge

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Sullivan's like, "Yeah, no, we don't do that." In fact, Judge Sullivan is the one who actually told Flynn that he betrayed his country because if you'll

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recall, it had to do with false statements, etc. that had to do with his involvement with Russia. And so EMTT Sullivan also, I think, in a related way that I think you guys would all be

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interested in knowing. So EMTT Sullivan was the judge that also presided over uh Senator Richard Blumenthal and other members of Congress. They sued pursuant

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to the imalments clause in Trump term 1.0 for the grift that was being perpetrated by Trump and his family and in violation of the imalments clause.

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Now, Judge Sullivan allowed that case to proceed. that the DC Circuit Court of Appeals, in my humble opinion, got it wrong and reversed it. But I do appreciate that case in particular,

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guys, because it was a standing issue and whether members of Congress had standing to be able to bring it.

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Standing is going to be a preliminary threshold issue that we will have to overcome. It is inevitable that Todd Blanch will file a motion to dismiss on

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the basis of standing, meaning, do I have the ability to even be a plaintiff in this case? And so that is definitely something I'm happy that we have Judge

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Sullivan for because he knows the law and he knows the issues.

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Oh, and a maverick um judge who doesn't take any guff. I couldn't I couldn't

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have wished you a better judge for this case than EMTT Sullivan. You're definitely going to get a your your a

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fair shake. You're going to get your day in court. And he's very strict, too, in a good way.

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and and we've seen um as I covered on my live uh before I joined you, Mike, um

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James Comey spoke um about the malevolence and the incompetence of the Trump DOJ. And when you get a judge like

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EMTT Sullivan who is not um afraid to go toe-to-toe with an administration or

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lawyers in an administration um that don't know what the hell they're doing or are trying to play fast and loose. I am fortunate because everybody will have

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to be prepared in this um and that is why I'm grateful that he will definitely call balls and strikes.

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Yeah. And while I while I I'm not going to let you leave just yet. You just brought up James Comey. Is that So when you and I planned this tonight, it was

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before Comey got indicted over sea selling seashells by the seashore, right? I mean, seriously. I mean, posting seashells by the seashore.

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How many post can he post without trying to find a good one? I'm trying to find a good one for him.

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This is not a great travel travel uh promotional video for Outer Banks of North Carolina. take come for the long

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walks in the seashells and stay for the indictment. Stay for the indictment.

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Um but if that you're you're a former a former uh prosecutor. Yeah. Right. And so you you have a criminal I'm a I'm a

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former I have a criminal mind. Yes.

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Criminal mind. I'm a defense lawyer by training and trade. And so but you and I come at it. We end up at the same place. Yes.

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It's a page indictment. It's based on a social media post. It runs headlong into

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the Supreme Court president of Watson versus the United States, right, with Lyndon Johnson and the threat, which wasn't a threat. It was a First Amendment joke. Take a joke, will you?

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Uh, and yet there they are with somber faces at a press conference. And before you joined, I said, I don't care how big

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the flag pin on Todd Blanch's lapel has grown to, or how many three-piece or fourpiece suits uh Cash Patel wears.

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This is a piece of you know what. And Pat Fitzgerald, the lawyer for for Comey, former US attorney for Chicago,

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is he he must be laughing his ass off that this is what he has to shoot at. Oh, no pun intended.

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What do you What do you think about the I think it's funny that you wouldn't call it a piece of but then you just said laughing your ass off. I just want the record to reflect, your honor,

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that Mr. Pop would not call it a piece of but you would say laughing your ass off. Yeah. Um, so I have, of course,

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the indictment with me because have indictment will travel. Um, and because it's so thin and so flimsy, it's so easy to travel.

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I was going to ask you, what's all the highlighting the whole thing?

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I was furiously highlighting at the beginning and then I was like, well, wait, this doesn't really merit anymore.

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But I but I emphasize um, and by the way, it it tracks the language from the code, right? The actual federal statutes, right? But this these are the

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particular phrases that I think are the death nail for this indictment. First of all,

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um you have to make a threat, which never happened. Um but here we go. That a reasonable recipient would interpret

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as a serious expression of an intent to do harm. I do not think that a

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reasonable recipient of a Instagram post of seashells would think that that is a serious expression of an intent to do harm.

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No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

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wait. Does it change your mind if you also know that Cash Patel's FBI spent

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over a year? Does it change your analysis that they spent a year on the internet?

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I had to say that at that presser both Todd Blanch and Cash Patel had to emphasize how long they worked since May

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of 2025 on this one and a half page indictment, right? Because they had to let us believe that there is some

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credibility to this. I mean, it is it should be pretty gling on the same day that Lindsey Graham introduces

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legislation to give Donald Trump $400 million of taxpayer money and allows

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Donald Trump to keep the amount that's already been raised through private anonymous donors. That that is how our

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money is being spent by prosecuting somebody over seashells. And here's the thing, there is no evidence that James Comey even put the seashells there.

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Number one. And then number two, I would love to continue to give, which I shall,

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the grand jurors the benefit of the doubt, that I do suspect that there is a Lindsay Hallan move of foot.

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What do I mean by that? Well, as we know, the first indictment in the Eastern District of Virginia for alleged false statements to Congress concerning

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James Comey was not only dismissed because of the illegal appointment of Lindseay Halligan as acting US or interim US attorney of EDVA, but as you all recall um in an unprecedented thing,

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James Comey got his hands on the jury,

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the grand jury transcript and the proceedings that are usually confidential and it revealed obviously that Lindseay Alligan had made

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affirmative misrepresentations about the law and the facts, the evidence and the burden of proof as she secured that indictment. There were all the problems

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too with the vote if you guys recall too whether they got the requisite votes or not.

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But the point is I suspect we had the similar situation happen here in the Eastern District of North Carolina which is I'm not quite sure how a jury

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returned a true bill Mike on this when it's over seashells. Yeah, that that's a very good point. And this is going to

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come down to motion practice that's going to be presented first to to right to the judge that's been assigned to the case who is judge uh Louise Flanigan.

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Yeah.

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She's a Bush. She's a George W. She's a number 43 appointee.

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But I want people to understand Judge Flanigan had nothing to do with this.

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Meaning she she didn't sanction this indictment. She didn't bring it. She didn't okay it. She's just been assigned to the case and and to your point when we got we'll

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have to see what prosecutor was used for this because it certainly wasn't Todd Blanch. But to your point, Lindseay Halligan violated the Fifth Amendment

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and the Sixth Amendment in her presentation to the grand jury. If it hadn't been tossed for the illegality of

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her appointment, it likely would have been tossed for violations of how do you violate both the fifth amendment and the Sixth Amendment? because I remember she turned on its head.

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She led the grand jury to believe that Comey had an obligation to testify and and wave his fifth amendment privilege,

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which of course is completely wrong about the and the burden of proof. So,

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let's get the transcript, then they'll make their motion. And I think that this is grounds don't I want to get your opinion for a malicious prosecution.

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Oh, yeah.

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Motion. And you start from Lindseay Halligan.

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See, I actually thought you and I were going to be reporting on something else about James Comey. I thought he was going to get swept up with Joe De Geneva

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in Oh, in the Southern District of Florida thing with the Brennan stuff. Yeah.

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In the grand conspiracy, which has got a grand jury in DC and one in in Fort Pierce. I thought we were going to hear about an indictment coming out of there against him.

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I I thought it was another run at the EDVA. Honestly, I thought it was another false statements to Congress run. I never would have thought it was over sea shells. Like I definitely did not anticipate this one coming. Um,

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look, and and by the way, we really do need to keep our eye on that John Brennan one out of the second district Florida that's being done by another

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Trump lackey, Jason Reading, whatever.

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Yeah, whatever. Kenyon came out of the blue. We all know that he was also Jason Reading for so long and then it came out of the blue.

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Wasn't he judge reading when he was on the Miami circuit court? Or he probably judge Kenyon? I actually think it was county court, too. I don't think he That's true. That's true.

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Um but but either way, I will say this.

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Um the malicious prosecution, vindictive prosecution,

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you know, I think it's worthwhile sharing with everybody. It is a virtually impossible burden threshold,

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right, to meet legally. And yet, we have seen way more vindictive prosecution,

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malicious prosecution motions that I've seen in my legal career happen because of this Trump DOJ. Well, any day now,

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Judge Krenshaw is gonna issue his ruling in ago Garcia Garcia, right?

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That's all done. It's all done except for the order.

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And I think it has been more proactive um discussions of sanctions, contempt,

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etc. In my legal career that I have been a lawyer for almost 30 years now, I have never heard this much chatter about contempt and sanctions.

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Yeah. Ever until now. Yeah.

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Until this regime. But but to to to prove my earlier theory, Trump knows this wasn't about an indictment that'll

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actually stick or it lead to a conviction.

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It's the process, honey. It's the pain of the process. It's the payment of criminal defense fees. It's the stress

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and anxiety. It's um it's the humiliation if it exists. Although, I will say, Comey, man, that man has a serious poker face.

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Bring it. And and and just to round it out here before we before we let you go,

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Morin Comey had a good it was a good day for Comey and Maren Comey uh convinced a federal judge that her being

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vindictively uh dismissed as a career apolitical prosecutor in the Southern District of New York. She was the one

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that brought Galileain Maxwell to justice, prosecutor for Epstein. But she got lumored. Laura Loomer decided that she was the daughter of James Comey and

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she couldn't have her own career. And so she got fired. And then when she brought her vindictive prosecution, her vindictive uh dismissal case, Trump actually had the balls to say, "Oh, no.

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You should go through the Merit systems protection board or the National Labor Relations Board. You mean the two entities you destroyed and there aren't anymore?"

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Well, what what I thought was spectacular about Judge Ferman's order and opinion today greenlighting her case

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against the DOJ in that space right in in that federal court was the intentionality behind Judge Ferman

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writing all of the complimentary things about the sterling reputation of Marine Comey because she fits the definition of

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being sumearily dismissed. I mean, she literally was dismissed by way of an email that invoked um the executive

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powers of the president to be able to allegedly do what he did. The thing that really gets me is twofold. One, it I am

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grateful for that win for Morin Comey. I think it opens the floodgates for other people who are also illegally terminated to chase down their justice. Number one.

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Number two, I think it also what it effectively does is reinforce the following, which is the timing of her

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termination speaks directly to the deployment of the of of Todd Blanch to meet with Glenn Maxwell because he went less than a week after she was fired.

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And and and Moren Comey was the lead trial prosecutor in the trial of Glenn Maxwell in the criminal case of Jeffrey

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Epstein. and she knew those cases. She knew that evidence better than anybody.

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And she would have been the natural logical person to send to do the limited immunity queen for a day meeting with

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Glenn Maxwell because she would have known her meter would have been so powerful, right? And she would have been able to say, "You're lying, Glenn.

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I know what the evidence is, right? But they intentionally sent dumbass Blanch because Todd is the perfect pacy for it

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because he knows that if he goes in blind, he doesn't sit there and he can't gauge the truth. He's just going to sit there and like I said, do each other's nail and braid each other's hair is what they were doing. And then he said, "Oh,

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check the box, met with her, now she can go to club fed." Which is why I like this illegal termination lawsuit because I think there's a colorable argument,

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Michael,

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that Comey's lawyers could explore the why, right, of it. And maybe there is an Epstein link to it.

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I think it exists. I think all roads are leading back to Epstein on this one. You know,

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you and I have agreed from the very beginning. She was the sacrificial lamb to get her out of the way so that when,

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as you said, when Blanch went and did the interview, he didn't have her as an earworm in his ear saying, "She's lying to you." Because he didn't want to know

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if she was lying to him because that's not his purpose of going to interview.

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You know, the five-year prosecutor for the case who knows every document like the back of her hand and every witness statement you don't bring to the meeting. Now, while I've got you, I love abusing our my friendship with you.

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While I've got you, what did you make of Judge Williams in the Southern District of Florida and her decision that maybe

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we don't have adversariness between Donald Trump's suing his own internal revenue service for billions of dollars

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and she wants briefing on it because I know you know Williams way I know her.

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What tell give me give me your thoughts on that.

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So it was delicious, right? because it was so quintessential Judge Kathleen Williams. And for those of you that

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don't know, Judge Kathleen Williams, an exceptional member of the judiciary here in the Southern District of Florida,

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came from being the federal public defender in the Southern District of Florida. So, if there's anybody who knows her way around a courtroom, who

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knows evidence, who knows the rules of procedure, and who understands trial law, it would be somebody like Judge

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Williams. But she has been intrepid with the Trump administration in calling

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things out. She's also been intrepid in calling things out with the Dantis administration here in Florida. All of the fantastic rulings we received to

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shut down alligator Alcatraz, the concentration camp in the Everglades,

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those came from Judge Williams. So, it was not a surprise, Michael, to see that it was Judge Kathleen Williams who

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distilled everything into what we all know which is going on, which is you can't sue yourself because you're going

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to settle with yourself. You can't sue the IRS for$10 billion dollar and then pretend like you're a party in

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controversy when you sit there and you settle with yourself. I thought it was a thing of beauty and I wasn't surprised

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that it was Judge Williams because she you know what the Spanish phrase is for those of you that speak Spanish with us right now it is

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noa I don't have hair on my tongue that means she h she does not suffer fools and she's like

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I'm going to call it for what it is there is no controversy here there is no conflict here you better explain to me how y'all are not just negotiating with

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each each other to be able to pay yourselves $10 billion.

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And my favorite part of it is when she ordered them to file separate briefs. Like you can't even do a joint brief,

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folks. You got to be separate briefs.

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You have to pretend. You have to pretend like there's daylight between you people in doing it.

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Now, let me play it out for our audience, not for you. If she finds there's no case in controversy and there's no lawsuit, then he's lost the

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consideration for the exchange for the settlement and therefore it's just a robbery of the Internal Revenue Service

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by Donald Trump of billions of dollars because it can't be couched as inconsideration for a settlement of a legitimate lawsuit because there is no legitimate lawsuit. Tada.

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Tada. A and and it it's interesting though because I I'm sure you all have noticed because you guys are all so

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smart. You know, there has been a series of settlements that have been entered into with Trump adjacent loyalists like

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Flynn, for example, and others that I think is kind of another example of how

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he knows how to instill loyalty by way of fear or loyalty by way of grift. you

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are either the beneficiary of his laress because you get some crazy settlement or

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he he his DOJ will step aside and enter into a settlement with Ashley Babbot's

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estate for example right or they will what be on the lookout for a settlement with the Proud Boys you know they sued

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for like hundred million dollars or something whackadoo in Florida like there's this type of litigation that's

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going on kind of like the pardon cottage industry, right? This pay-to-play thing.

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There's this whole slew of litigation and a slew of stuff that's going on that is just a quote legal pathway for people

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that are in Trump's orbit to make money and to grift off of us as American taxpayers.

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Yeah, absolutely. That's why that's why I love having you here on the show. You got to come back more often on the intersection. Katie Fang, the Katie Fang

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news channel. You can catch it on YouTube. We do crossover episodes as well. I got to get you back on my Substack and vice versa. Um Midas

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contributor out in the field if u Mayday is coming up. May one law day. Yeah, Mayday. Yes.

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You and I are going to try to do something around that as well. So happy to have you here. So happy to have you as a colleague and always of course as a friend. I didn't know you were in the

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upholstery business. What's with this beautiful old sign behind you? So, this is actually my husband's lateg grandfather's the picture of the store

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that he had in in Flushing here. I don't know if I can if I can show it to you guys like that.

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And so, what what we did was we took this old picture and we kind of colorized it. So, great.

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And then we made it into this very much like larger centerpiece. And it's just it's it's kitschy, but it also reminds

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obviously my husband of his late grandfather, his b his his bubby.

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Yeah. You know, that's so great. I got to talk we got to go out to dinner. We I want to talk to your husband because my grandfather owned a woman's silk

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stocking uh factory.

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He made Well, that was that was very much the immigrant the hosery.

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big his his my husband's family on his father's side which is where this was was a very big Russian Jewish immigrant

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story and being in the garment industry was a very big part of that Russian Jewish immigrant story when they came to the United States.

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I'm sure it's very similar. My that grandfather I just talked about he dropped out of school in the sixth grade. He was pushing a cart on the

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Lower East Side. Okay. and eventually owned the largest die works for ladies stockings in the in the United States.

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Now, by the way, my late mother, I never could figure out how he went from bush cart to factory. I know the stories, but

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there's a big gap that I I don't know how he went from there to there. I just know it happened. So,

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well, people in the chat are all chiming in that my family owned clothing factories, my grandfather made shoulder pads. I mean the the the most important

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thing about this is it it is the immigrant story, right? It is it's the reason why we have such a great story

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and all of us have stories to tell about our families that way.

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Absolutely. We're all close to our families. Really appreciate you being here, my friend. Good luck and I'll keep you guys posted. Yeah.

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Anything we can do or I can do or anybody can do, you you know we got your back. Katie Fang, Katy Fang News Channel. Thanks for being here.

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Well, thanks guys. Good to see everybody.

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